Britain secures agreement to join Indo-Pacific trade bloc

Freefaller · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:36

grudas said:
Agreed.

But it’s obvious that uk is struggling so something at this stage is better than nothing at all.

Indeed. But so much for net zero and all this hyperbole about it. I just hope they label the foods accordingly. I think this is a very bleak time for the UK....

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:46

HACO said:
It's their loss. However, things will change a lot in future decades with demographic shifts. The US might become a very different place.

I would definitely hope so. Maybe that can happen even sooner. At least some provisions of it.

Maybe as the US can be unpredictable. But I'm quite hopeful the EU and CPTPP will eventually align.

Not much of a loss, they presently have a car industry which would otherwise be decimated by unreliable European vehicles instead of producing their own!

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:49

Roar87 said:
How is this possible? I was told it would take us 20 years to create a new trade deal without being in the EU

Like the sky is still holding up pretty well

mattx4 · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:50

Freefaller said:
What I worry about is with regards to quality of foods/meats and the prolific use of GM foods and hormone injected meats from other regions.

They are slowly opening the door to allow the meat they have in the US pumped full of stuff to be sold in the UK

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:52

mattx4 said:
They are slowly opening the door to allow the meat they have in the US pumped full of stuff to be sold in the UK

But you don't have to buy it, just as you don't currently have to buy organic.

mattx4 · 30 Mar 2023 at 16:58

thenewoc said:
But you don't have to buy it, just as you don't currently have to buy organic.

No you don't, but it will end up in take away food, fast food, restaurants, your kids school meals etc

I have to be very careful eating out because I can't stand water chilled chicken the taste and texture is awful

Greebo · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:02

so are we getting a referendum on this? I mean from reading the details we have had to give up big chunks of our sovereignty and any disputes are settled in an Australian Tribunal.

I would expect Brexiteers to be up in arms over this and a massive revolt in the HoC?

Freefaller · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:04

mattx4 said:
They are slowly opening the door to allow the meat they have in the US pumped full of stuff to be sold in the UK

I know. It's not good. In fact I don't know why they ever allowed it in those countries or the poor animal welfare being deemed acceptable.

Greebo · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:06

Freefaller said:
I know. It's not good. In fact I don't know why they ever allowed it in those countries or the poor animal welfare being deemed acceptable.

Because it means cheap meat and food for the population and the economy for export. We should just match the same rules now in the Uk and give our farmers a fighting chance.

Roar87 · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:09

Freefaller said:
Doesn't seem sensible to import stuff from halfway across the world when there's stuff closer to us. But I guess we have no choice now.

What I worry about is with regards to quality of foods/meats and the prolific use of GM foods and hormone injected meats from other regions.

I'm no expert, but it would seem you can reduce a lot of the cost with the way giant container ships work, it's extremely cheap to ship things across vast distances over water as I gather.

redeye · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:09

Greebo said:
Because it means cheap meat and food for the population and the economy for export. We should just match the same rules now in the Uk and give our farmers a fighting chance.

Clarkson's farm and countryfile the last year or so has been an eye opener. Anyone still thinking farming has a future in the UK without significant intervention by government (read subsidies) is in la la land.

NVP · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:11

Sankari said:
I'm not, because I have family in the UK and I'm still a British citizen. Even Brexit can't take my birthright away from me. I want to see the UK succeed.

Shamima wants a word

thenewoc · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:25

mattx4 said:
No you don't, but it will end up in take away food, fast food, restaurants, your kids school meals etc

I have to be very careful eating out because I can't stand water chilled chicken the taste and texture is awful

go to better restaurants

Mr Jack · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:27

thenewoc said:
But you don't have to buy it, just as you don't currently have to buy organic.

What makes you think it will be labelled? The US has pushed to limit labelling in every trade deal it is part of. The CPTPP will be no different.

Uther · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:30

thenewoc said:
Like the sky is still holding up pretty well

I notice you don't have 'boycott China' in your sig any more, did you have to buy a new washing machine?

mattx4 · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:31

thenewoc said:
go to better restaurants

That's exactly what I do, but I appreciate that is not an option available to everyone.

As soon as you lower standards on something like meat it just becomes a race to the bottom

sigma · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:35

A whopping 0.08% 'boost to the economy'. It's no wonder the useful idiots think this is the best thing since sliced bread.

sigma · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:37

redeye said:
Clarkson's farm and countryfile the last year or so has been an eye opener. Anyone still thinking farming has a future in the UK without significant intervention by government (read subsidies) is in la la land.

Let's not look a the UK motor industry either.

Malevolence · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:37

mattx4 said:
I have to be very careful eating out

sigma · 30 Mar 2023 at 17:41

Roar87 said:
I'm no expert...

You can say that again...