Britain secures agreement to join Indo-Pacific trade bloc

I'm no expert, but it would seem you can reduce a lot of the cost with the way giant container ships work, it's extremely cheap to ship things across vast distances over water as I gather.

The simplicity with which your mind works never fails to amaze me.

Your logic is basically "we can end world hunger by simply making more food" :cry:
 
Because it means cheap meat and food for the population and the economy for export. We should just match the same rules now in the Uk and give our farmers a fighting chance.

Cheap shouldn't trump quality.

I'm no expert, but it would seem you can reduce a lot of the cost with the way giant container ships work, it's extremely cheap to ship things across vast distances over water as I gather.

Not as cheaply as more locally sourced stuff.

I think this going to have less than 1% boost, bring poor quality foods, and negatively impact our carbon footprint.
 
The simplicity with which your mind works never fails to amaze me.

Your logic is basically "we can end world hunger by simply making more food" :cry:

Yup. Shipping by container also takes time. If you're shipping food that isn't frozen, time is your enemy. Fruit and veg that gets shipped to the UK from Europe is effectively a JIT process, just like large scale manufacturing. Put roadblocks (red-tape, delays etc) and it falls apart. Thats why all countries trade the most with those closest neighbours.

The same is true for consumer goods. We had a market right on the doorstep any sized company could sell into - you could offer the same warranty, almost same delivery time, decent competative price to the entire EU Market. Now with Brexit we're being told you can sell into all of these new markets we have trade deals with - but they aren't next door so it takes time to ship to, you can't offer a returns process (or if you can't it's a nightmare), many already have huge / long established local companies selling the same probably for cheaper than the UK and there are new rules and regulatons to follow. There is no incentive, no reason to try and do it. That's why the GDP increase estimated from these deals is soo small.
 
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Yup. Shipping by container also takes time. If you're shipping food that isn't frozen, time is your enemy. Fruit and veg that gets shipped to the UK from Europe is effectively a JIT process, just like large scale manufacturing. Put roadblocks (red-tape, delays etc) and it falls apart. Thats why all countries trade the most with those closest.

Apparently we already have trade deals with pretty much all of them already anyway...
 
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That's exactly what I do, but I appreciate that is not an option available to everyone.

As soon as you lower standards on something like meat it just becomes a race to the bottom
Except the less well off will enjoy cheaper prices on standard quality.
 
Because it means cheap meat and food for the population and the economy for export. We should just match the same rules now in the Uk and give our farmers a fighting chance.
What's to say UK producers won't be exporting some of their premium produce to satisfy a more discerning market with this Indo-Pacific region? It's surely more of a marketing issue for UK producers to promote their businesses appropriately and increase their exports to new markets.
 
What makes you think it will be labelled? The US has pushed to limit labelling in every trade deal it is part of. The CPTPP will be no different.

That's as maybe, but they won't be allowed to label something as British that didn't originate in Britain. It should be pretty obvious if the product isn't labelled as British then it's not British.
 
That's as maybe, but they won't be allowed to label something as British that didn't originate in Britain. It should be pretty obvious if the product isn't labelled as British then it's not British.
I don't think you get it, they push to remove labelling the origin of a product.
 
I don't think you get it, they push to remove labelling the origin of a product.

It's you that doesn't get it.

They won't be able to remove British labels from British produce. Therefore in any decent UK establishment there will be at least a choice of British labelled produce and non-British labelled produce for the consumer to make their own choice.
 
It's you that doesn't get it.

They won't be able to remove British labels from British produce. Therefore in any decent UK establishment there will be at least a choice of British labelled produce and non-British labelled produce for the consumer to make their own choice.
Then you won't get a trade deal with the USA.
 
Of course we will. They can't tell us that we must not label our own produce as to it's origin, especially the produce that we sell in our own domestic market.
They can and will as the bigger market. We will bend over and take it like good little piggies and be told it is for the best.
 
They can and will as the bigger market. We will bend over and take it like good little piggies and be told it is for the best.

They won't because our domestic legislation is ours. I doubt it would be a good political move for any party to suggest that we removed the origin of our own produce, especially within our own domestic market. Therefore if we had a trade deal with the US or anyone for that matter, if we agreed we would import their produce without the need to display it's origin, it would still be a case of UK consumers having a choice between British labelled produce and 'Other'. If you want to avoid 'Other' you can without needing to know where 'Other' relates to because you will have chosen to buy the British labelled produce instead.

What you're suggesting is they'd force the UK to for instance bottle scotch whiskey as being from some anon source. That wouldn't happen because US consumers would want to be able to identify such goods and those selling them in the US would want that too as they attract a premium price compared to a US made product.
 
British farming is on decline.. add rubbish quality meat from other countries and you’ll kill it. They won’t be able to compete no matter the sticker. Supermarket dictates the price and it’ll all be over soon. Wonder what’s next I’m the line for little Britain. Seeing as brexiters never stepped up when it comes to manual labour and picking veg I doubt they’ll be buying the British produce either lol.
 
British farming is on decline.. add rubbish quality meat from other countries and you’ll kill it. They won’t be able to compete no matter the sticker. Supermarket dictates the price and it’ll all be over soon. Wonder what’s next I’m the line for little Britain. Seeing as brexiters never stepped up when it comes to manual labour and picking veg I doubt they’ll be buying the British produce either lol.

We buy British produce whenever we can. Some supermarkets are better at offering it than others for sure. These things are driven by sales though so the more people buy the British options then the more the ranges will reflect that.
 
They won't because our domestic legislation is ours. I doubt it would be a good political move for any party to suggest that we removed the origin of our own produce, especially within our own domestic market. Therefore if we had a trade deal with the US or anyone for that matter, if we agreed we would import their produce without the need to display it's origin, it would still be a case of UK consumers having a choice between British labelled produce and 'Other'. If you want to avoid 'Other' you can without needing to know where 'Other' relates to because you will have chosen to buy the British labelled produce instead.

What you're suggesting is they'd force the UK to for instance bottle scotch whiskey as being from some anon source. That wouldn't happen because US consumers would want to be able to identify such goods and those selling them in the US would want that too as they attract a premium price compared to a US made product.
So naive. We got ripped a new one by Australia and you think we'll be making demands to the USA :cry:
 
We buy British produce whenever we can. Some supermarkets are better at offering it than others for sure. These things are driven by sales though so the more people buy the British options then the more the ranges will reflect that.
The simple fact is that the overall population is poorer in uk than it has been for a long time this means that the cheaper and non British products will be more popular by default. This will make it even harder to sell British produce because the government is doing nothing to support British farming and if anything they’re making it harder and more expensive.
 
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