Which is what was pointed out some time ago. The whole idea was a little harebrained on your part.
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Which is what was pointed out some time ago. The whole idea was a little harebrained on your part.
Have you seen what one fishing boat can to do to the Japanese Navy.
No your right i havent thought this through, was it really easy to spot.
Im still standing by my original strategy though.
have you seen what a tug boat can do to a type45 ? poor daring
edit: the whole concept of a chinese invasion force entering UK from container ships is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.... some people in this thread been playing battfield too much, maybe they can all parachute in from the wings of bombers as well ?
On a slightly more serious note than 30,000 troops sneaking into the country in containers.
I heard something on the news this morning that basically said we are going to decommision all our harriers before we get there replacements (F35b's for the new carriers).
Now im no expert on these matters but back on page one of this thread i said that carriers for force projection were the most important part of the navys role right now, I guess the goverment disagree.
I heard something on the news this morning that basically said we are going to decommision all our harriers before we get there replacements (F35b's for the new carriers).
Now im no expert on these matters but back on page one of this thread i said that carriers for force projection were the most important part of the navys role right now, I guess the goverment disagree.
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Yes its potentially bloody stupid, should you expect anything else?
Not really.
Personally Britain needs to move away from 'big ticket' items, it doesn't suit what this country faces or is likely to face. We shouldn't continue to kid ourselves any longer than necessary.
Funny thread is funny.
What is the point in decommissioning a proven aircraft before the replacement is ready.
Especially given that almost everything I have read about the F35b says its a let down...
Get rid of the Tornado? Yes. Get rid of the harrier? Not yet.
Especially given that almost everything I have read about the F35b says its a let down...
Get rid of the Tornado? Yes. Get rid of the harrier? Not yet.
We shouldn't get rid of either, not presently.
The whole point in this is the conservatives trying to do something that hasn't been seen since the war, in fact.. I'd go so far as to say what we are about to experience hasn't actually been seen in this country yet. Major changes, and 'problems' like new aircraft carriers with no birds to fly is likely to be the start of a very long list..
The whole point in this is the conservatives trying to do something that hasn't been seen since the war, in fact.. I'd go so far as to say what we are about to experience hasn't actually been seen in this country yet. Major changes, and 'problems' like new aircraft carriers with no birds to fly is likely to be the start of a very long list..
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I think we had the carriers issue 30 years ago. It was seen as a weakness by some and the falklands got invaded. No carriers and there is no doubt that with oil been found there, they will try it again. If i was given the choice i would get rid of the tornados and keep enough harriers to arm the carriers. When tornados come to the base i work at they always tend to break down.
Tornados are ground attack variant yes?
How long till the overpriced EuroFIGHTER upgrades ready to replace that roll?
Im don't think we should castrate our navy be destroying their air cover, but we also need ground attack capablities which the EuroFIGHTER currently can't provide.
We have to cut something but i for the life of me dont know what and where.
How long till the overpriced EuroFIGHTER upgrades ready to replace that roll?
Im don't think we should castrate our navy be destroying their air cover, but we also need ground attack capablities which the EuroFIGHTER currently can't provide.
We have to cut something but i for the life of me dont know what and where.
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Its not all that far fetched the only thing that stops them is the ssn
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I think a lot of the expensive projects have the mod by the balls. The carrier contract if they cancell it the mod would have to buy x number of boats from bae to the value of the orginal contract. A lot of people think that we need to develop our own systems. In some cases its ok but for other things its maddness. The a400 project is costing millions, which the MOD could have spent on c-17's, an outstanding transporter.
Eurofighters are multirole so they can do a bit of air combat, a bit of ground attack, etc.
Plus a large number of Royal Marines, a small British Army garrison, four RAF Typhoons, a Royal Navy Frigate or Destroyer at any one time, and the ability to easily increase that force should anything look suspicious. (One can assume they keep a close eye on them).
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Firstly, we are on the brink of war, it's just a matter of time, believe it or not.
If your not hungry, why would you take your groceries out the fridge and make dinner?
Just like why would countries aggregate troops and arms if they don't plan on going to war? He who draws his sword first in defense is the aggressor. What country was the first to 'mass produce' troops after 9/11? Who is strategically dominant (militarily) around the world at this moment in time?
Secondly, if taken from a strategic view, China is in a defensive position. They won't be *invading* anything, dispite what you may have read in your newspapers.
China is surrounded by U.S. allegiances. (take note of how many, and Where existing U.S. bases are. Then incoorporate the bases of the U.S. allegiances and their locations.)
The ongoing spat that developed recently between Japan and China is another effort to vilify China. It is a pretext to War.
There is a lot of anti-Chinese sentiment in the west which helps fuel reason for fear of the Chinese.
They are currently the economically fastest growing country. As some members have said here, from a business point of view China is dependant on foriegn countries for trade and sell of their goods. If they act as an agressor, they will loose business.
If you think war is good for business, you are right, but not for the people nor the country. But for the international Banks that lend to unwitting countries to there after are subject to their intrests.
War will begin when fingers point at China for the evisceration of the world economy (bare in mind, its already started.)
If your not hungry, why would you take your groceries out the fridge and make dinner?
Just like why would countries aggregate troops and arms if they don't plan on going to war? He who draws his sword first in defense is the aggressor. What country was the first to 'mass produce' troops after 9/11? Who is strategically dominant (militarily) around the world at this moment in time?
Secondly, if taken from a strategic view, China is in a defensive position. They won't be *invading* anything, dispite what you may have read in your newspapers.
China is surrounded by U.S. allegiances. (take note of how many, and Where existing U.S. bases are. Then incoorporate the bases of the U.S. allegiances and their locations.)
The ongoing spat that developed recently between Japan and China is another effort to vilify China. It is a pretext to War.
There is a lot of anti-Chinese sentiment in the west which helps fuel reason for fear of the Chinese.
They are currently the economically fastest growing country. As some members have said here, from a business point of view China is dependant on foriegn countries for trade and sell of their goods. If they act as an agressor, they will loose business.
If you think war is good for business, you are right, but not for the people nor the country. But for the international Banks that lend to unwitting countries to there after are subject to their intrests.
War will begin when fingers point at China for the evisceration of the world economy (bare in mind, its already started.)
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China is master of its own sphere but has no power projection, this isn't an 'opinion' there's no disputing this.
None of todays great powers are going to directly declare war on each other. An interesting and more realistic scenario would be China declaring war on Taiwan (U.S.A. et. all backs up?), or a new Pakistan v. India war due to border tensions.
None of todays great powers are going to directly declare war on each other. An interesting and more realistic scenario would be China declaring war on Taiwan (U.S.A. et. all backs up?), or a new Pakistan v. India war due to border tensions.