Britain's Defences

[TW]Fox;17577511 said:
Why would WW2 start?

Why would WW1 start?

WWI ?

One of the best theory's ive read about how WW1 started is by A.J.P. Taylor, that it was all down to Train Timetables

Train Timetables you say ? Let wikipedia explain ( i tried writing it myself but wikipedia has summed it better i think)

In his 1969 book War by Timetable, Taylor examined the origins of the First World War concluding that though all of the great powers wished to increase their own power relative to the others, none consciously sought war before 1914. Instead, he argued that all of the great powers believed that if they possessed the ability to mobilise their armed forces faster than any of the others, this would serve as a sufficient deterrent to avoid war and allow them to achieve their foreign policy. Thus, the general staffs of the great powers developed elaborate timetables to mobilise faster than any of their rivals. When the crisis broke in 1914, though none of the statesmen of Europe wanted a world war, the need to mobilise faster than potential rivals created an inexorable movement towards war. Thus Taylor claimed that the leaders of 1914 became prisoners of the logic of the mobilisation timetables and the timetables that were meant to serve as deterrent to war instead relentlessly brought war. Many have argued that Taylor, who was one of the leaders of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, developed his "Railway Thesis" to serve as a thinly-veiled admonitory allegory for the nuclear arms race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._J._P._Taylor

My Point in bringing this up ?

This is a very specific set of circumstances, that, in this Nuclear age, and an age of modern transportation, couldnt be replicated now.
 
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Another thing that you need to consider is that defence spending in the UK and China is not that far apart. If you look at it from a per capita perspective in relation to the respective size of our standing Armed Forces, ours is vastly superior to that of China.
 
I don't understand this 'relative to population' thing, at the end of the day it's about how many people are stood there holding a ****-off gun isn't it?

We're not going to defend ourselves with statistics :p
 
If our armed forces are over 100,000 strong why do reports keep saying that we're stretched to breaking point in Afganistan and Iraq when we just have a few thousend there?
 
If our armed forces are over 100,000 strong why do reports keep saying that we're stretched to breaking point in Afganistan and Iraq when we just have a few thousend there?

Papers wont sell themselves you know.

Its probably because those few thousand soldiers are being asked to do more than whats comfortable. They dont mean that British armed forces as a whole are stretched to breaking point.
 
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Where would the armchair strategists be without being able to quote Wikipedia?

Up the swanny and invaded. :p:D
 
We have forces deployed all over the world. We have more troops in Germany than we have in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

EDIT: Interesting fact - over 10% of all UK armed forces personnel are stationed in Germany!
 
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It doesn't matter were the Troops are, they're not in a combat zone so can be called on so we're far from at breaking point as the papers suggest.
 
It doesn't matter were the Troops are, they're not in a combat zone so can be called on so we're far from at breaking point as the papers suggest.
It's not very practical, though. To move 20,000+ troops from a base in Germany and suddenly deploy them in Afghanistan is no mean feat. Sure, the armed forces aren't going to collapse, and if absolutely necessary we could do it, but the reports are saying they are struggling to operate effectively and efficiently due to troop numbers, not that we don't have any people.

EDIT: Something else to bear in mind - that 175,000 will include all the chefs, band players, generals, radio engineers, aircraft refuellers etc. It's not just people on the ground with guns.
 
If our armed forces are over 100,000 strong why do reports keep saying that we're stretched to breaking point in Afganistan and Iraq when we just have a few thousend there?

Thee armed forces on the ground in those countries are stretch and the politicians won't commit more troops and equipment because it will lose them votes
 
Not in the case of Taiwan, though :p

The PRC has a per capita (1000) active personnel figure of 1.7, The UK has a per capita (1000) of 2.9. Total per capita (including reserve) PRC is 2.6 (/1000) and the UK is 6.1 (/1000). Which makes our real terms expenditure on each member of the armed forces superior to that of the PRC.

But as I said previous, China has not got sufficient power projection of it's armed forces to threaten the UK in any significant way.
 
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