Britain's Defences

Castiel · 15 Oct 2010 at 16:37

Captain_Slick said:
Really? I never knew we had a few resident military generals, tacticians and wartime leaders...

You don't need that level of experience to comment, this is not an in-depth discussion on military logistics or tactical theatre scenarios.

Unless you are one of those you mention then you are no more qualified to judge the merits of a hypothetical scenario such as the OP's than I am.

If you are stating that to have any kind of opinion on the Chinese military or their capabilities in a thread that is just a bit of fun you have to have been a General or Military Strategist then you are being arrogant in my opinion.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2010 at 16:42

meghatronic said:
In fact, I thought of you when I wrote it. But I'm not entirely sure you have intimate knowledge of Chinese intents/military capabilities (unless you kept that promotion quiet). I didn't mean to be apathetic, it's just about as answerable as "Is there a God?" and other such meanderings.

Indeed, but the discussion isn't inherently serious enough to warrant Captain Slicks attack on the OP, and that's really who I was criticising.

It's just a bit of fun, and as for the reality, China has never been an overtly offensive power, the OP would have been better substituting Russia for the purpose of the scenario.

And No, my specific experience is more limited than the overall strategic planning, but it's enough for a concussion on a forum, I wouldn't give a lecture on it though

. Still it's fun to conjecture on such things and yes it's loltastic what some people think we or indeed China are actually capable of doing, or what happens in modern warfare.

Wait until they release the remake of Red Dawn with Chinese replacing the Russians, there will be loads of these type threads to give Capt Slick apoplexy.....

alex_tank · 15 Oct 2010 at 16:44

You don't have to be a chef to say you don't like some food in a restaurant, people are allowed to voice opinions.

ShaolinDreams · 15 Oct 2010 at 16:47

alex_tank said:
You don't have to be a chef to say you don't like some food in a restaurant, people are allowed to voice opinions.

Not in GD you dont! Heaven forbid!

Castiel · 15 Oct 2010 at 16:58

Well I'm ready for the Kung Poo Pussies....

I love this picture....

EdGey · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:07

meghatronic said:
But it's a particularly bad hypothetical argument. Unless anyone here has military/defence/foreign policy experience at a significantly high level. All comments will be based on Command & Conquer/Media/Random.

History.

leon4112 · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:11

i really enjoyed this thread 5*

Captain_Slick · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:14

Castiel said:
You don't need that level of experience to comment, this is not an in-depth discussion on military logistics or tactical theatre scenarios.

Unless you are one of those you mention then you are no more qualified to judge the merits of a hypothetical scenario such as the OP's than I am.

If you are stating that to have any kind of opinion on the Chinese military or their capabilities in a thread that is just a bit of fun you have to have been a General or Military Strategist then you are being arrogant in my opinion.

It's not really a discussion at all. It's a bunch of nerds creaming themselves over imagined warfare. It's lame. My point is that it's weird to extract some sort of 'fun' out of imagining a country trying to invade the one we live in. It's just sad. It's actually more sad than train-spotting. It's like when people at my workplace put WW2 documentaries on the telly in the canteen and end up having a discussion about German tank warfare... when they know nothing about it.

Perhaps I'm the weird one. Perhaps I'm odd for not finding any joy or fun in imagining things that nobody would ever want to happen and in all likelihood, won't ever happen anyway.

alex_tank said:
You don't have to be a chef to say you don't like some food in a restaurant, people are allowed to voice opinions.

No, but food isn't the same as wanting to imagine a largely peaceful country like China invading the UK.

What next? Debating the hypothetical situation of a racist coming to power in the UK and committing acts of genocide against our immigrant population? Sounds exciting!

At least the hypothetical zombie apocalypse threads have an actual element of fun to them.

EdGey · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:16

Captain_Slick said:
It's not really a discussion at all. It's a bunch of nerds creaming themselves over imagined warfare. It's lame. My point is that it's weird to extract some sort of 'fun' out of imagining a country trying to invade the one we live in. It's just sad. It's actually more sad than train-spotting.

Perhaps I'm the weird one. Perhaps I'm odd for not finding any joy or fun in imagining things that nobody would ever want to happen and in all likelihood, won't ever happen anyway.

You're pathetic.

Have you ever played a game such as Call of Duty? - How dare you simulate the killing of a human being.

Have you ever seen the movie 2012? How dare you be entertained by billions of deaths.

Same sort of thing.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:20

Captain_Slick said:
It's not really a discussion at all. It's a bunch of nerds creaming themselves over imagined warfare. It's lame. My point is that it's weird to extract some sort of 'fun' out of imagining a country trying to invade the one we live in. It's just sad. It's actually more sad than train-spotting.

Perhaps I'm the weird one. Perhaps I'm odd for not finding any joy or fun in imagining things that nobody would ever want to happen and in all likelihood, won't ever happen anyway.

I think you're taking it a little too literally, it's no different than watching a fictional film, or reading a fictional book, or indeed playing COD or MW2 for enjoyment. The upcoming Red Dawn remake re-enacts this very scenario, just with the US instead of the UK

You are right that real war is not something to get excited over, neither is it typically 'fun', and from that perspective it isn't a joke.

Captain_Slick · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:21

EdGey said:
You're pathetic.

Have you ever played a game such as call of duty?

HOW DARE YOU SIMULATE THE KILLING OF A HUMAN BEING!

That's not the same at all though. Games are entertaining. They have goals to achieve, detailed graphics, plots, stuff to do.

Effectively the equivalent of this thread would be to sit around discussing the hypothetical situation of the plot of Call Of Duty happening in real life.

Similarly I keep beating China's arse as England on Civ 5. That's entertaining. This thread is not. Sitting around imaging that I'm playing Civ 5 would be crap.

w3bbo · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:21

China have the resources and manpower to wipe the floor with the UK. The UK have one of, if not the best trained land/air/sea forces in the world but due to such small numbers compared to the likes of China, Russia, US etc our forces would simply be swept aside. I would wager we would have a far better kill ratio though but sadly we wouldn't have the numbers to replenish losses.

However, the UK is of vital importance to the US both strategically and politicaly so the chances of any state 'invading' the UK and risk US retaliation is pretty much zero at present.

If it came to a Nuclear strike then you are gonna be looking at unsustainable losses on both sides, a war that would send mankind back to the stone age, and thats even before the likes of USA and Russia get involved!

EdGey · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:24

Captain_Slick said:
That's not the same at all though. Games are entertaining. They have goals to achieve, detailed graphics, plots, stuff to do.

Effectively the equivalent of this thread would be to sit around discussing the hypothetical situation of the plot of Call Of Duty happening in real life.

Similarly I keep beating China's arse as England on Civ 5. That's entertaining. This thread is not. Sitting around imaging that I'm playing Civ 5 would be crap.

Thank you, for confirming the first part of my previous post.

Castiel · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:24

Captain_Slick said:
That's not the same at all though. Games are entertaining. They have goals to achieve, detailed graphics, plots, stuff to do.

Effectively the equivalent of this thread would be to sit around discussing the hypothetical situation of the plot of Call Of Duty happening in real life.

Similarly I keep beating China's arse as England on Civ 5. That's entertaining. This thread is not.

It's not entertaining to you. That is simply a personal opinion nothing more, if it's not fun for you then don't play, so to speak.

Captain_Slick · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:27

Castiel said:
It's not entertaining to you. That is simply a personal opinion nothing more.

Obviously. I wasn't proclaiming my opinion as scientific fact.

I'm actually properly intrigued now. How can entertainment be extracted from the discussion in this thread, apart from entertainment in the sense of how lame it all is?

EdGey · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:28

Captain_Slick said:
I'm actually properly intrigued now. How can entertainment be extracted from the discussion in this thread, apart from entertainment in the sense of how lame it all is?

War is an interesting topic.

Captain_Slick · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:28

EdGey said:
Thank you, for confirming the first part of my previous post.

In your bizarre mind, no problem. I fail to see how not finding fun in discussing unlikely, unwanted and uninteresting hypothetical events makes me pathetic though.

EdGey · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:30

Edit: Didnt read the previous post properly. Carry on.

Saetia · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:31

Captain_Slick said:
Obviously. I wasn't proclaiming my opinion as scientific fact.

I'm actually properly intrigued now. How can entertainment be extracted from the discussion in this thread, apart from entertainment in the sense of how lame it all is?

It's a theoretical excersise which provides some mental stimulation. Some of us are interested in strategy studies.

Captain_Slick · 15 Oct 2010 at 17:32

EdGey said:
War is an interesting topic.

Yes, real war is. Rommel and Montgomery in North Africa is fascinating. D-Day is fascinating.

Discussing the possibility of the improbable and nonsensical situation where China invades one of it's trading partners for no reason whatsoever isn't though. See what I'm getting at?