British Grand Prix 2014, Silverstone - Race 9/19

Dennis has never be a great fan of Jensons. I said as soon as he returned he would look to get rid as soon as he could line someone half decent up. I think he's looking for someone to blame. I dislike Mclaren a great deal, dull stale and you have to be a robot to have ron like you. The place seems to suck any personality from drivers and they come alive when they leave the dour grey bunch of engineering under performers.

Carried by Newey and have been **** ever since.
 
smr said:
It is rather funny how I've heard no one else but Ron (ie. Damon Hill, Herbert, Davidson, Brundle, Coulthard etc.) say that Jenson needs to up his game, those pundits have just mentioned how the car isn't delivering.
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He has had 2 years now with new team mates and while he has/is comfortably beating both it isn't exactly a huge difference.

Then again, Hamilton didn't walk all over Button, and Rosberg (who everyone slated Schumacher for not beating convincingly) is ahead of Hamilton this year.

So who knows, maybe destroying your team mate isn't as easy as it is made out to be and just beating them at all is considered a good job.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Carried by Newey and have been **** ever since.
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That's a bit harsh. Other than 1998 and 1999 their best two cars of the past couple of decades were built after he left.

OK, so perhaps the 2005 car too, but it might not have looked quite as good if Ferrari and Bridgestone hadn't been all karma'd, but it was still quick. The 2000 car wasn't at all bad either, but neither driver could push it consistently.
 
Whitmarsh said that Mclaren were lucky in 2012 - in the latter part of the season (Button's Spa win onwards) as the car was dominating, but CFD and WT correlation wasn't adding up. The car just got dialled in by Mclaren fluking it and not understanding why it was performing so well...

I think the problem has been the Engineering side's approach. It's all based on 0s and 1s wheras Newey's approach is a bit more pragmatic.
 
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this_is_gav said:
That's a bit harsh. Other than 1998 and 1999 their best two cars of the past couple of decades were built after he left..
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No they have been **** even when they do build a reasonable car they fail to build on it for the next year. Mclaren design and engineering has been woeful for years. Even with Newey they didn't build the best car two years on the trot. Whitmarsh was just another continuation of the shambles the outfit of grey has become. dennis though must take some of the blame for failing to have enough strength in depth for when Newey legged it to somewhere more interesting.

So much rests on Honda being able to rescue them. They have a massive budget and great facilities but they are a joke, floundering from one season to the next playing catch up. Mclaren are the John Major or F1.
 
I'll be there all weekend.

A bit apprehensive, as I'm not at all happy with this year's regulations which I feel have been to the detriment of the sport. BUT, no better way to find out than to be there.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Dennis has never be a great fan of Jensons. I said as soon as he returned he would look to get rid as soon as he could line someone half decent up. I think he's looking for someone to blame. I dislike Mclaren a great deal, dull stale and you have to be a robot to have ron like you. The place seems to suck any personality from drivers and they come alive when they leave the dour grey bunch of engineering under performers.

Carried by Newey and have been **** ever since.
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Whilst I agree that Mclaren is too clinical, Ron's favourite pairing were anything but robots.

If you were following Senna week on Sky you would have seen Ron be rather frank and divulge a lot of stuff previously unheard. Ayrton, Gerhard and Ron got on famously together, constantly ripping each other.
 
Haha yeah I'm sure it will be fine after a cuppa.

It was driver error that caused it, ran wide onto the AstroTurf and kept his foot in and spun it,

The second Williams is also out of the session through something breaking inside the car.
 
Shimmy said:
Whilst I agree that Mclaren is too clinical, Ron's favourite pairing were anything but robots.

If you were following Senna week on Sky you would have seen Ron be rather frank and divulge a lot of stuff previously unheard. Ayrton, Gerhard and Ron got on famously together, constantly ripping each other.
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Yeah but that was 30 years ago, you can't judge how a company is run on 30 years ago. Ever since they have had one grey personality free robot after another. If they got a driver that had a bit about him it was beaten out of him or they just unsettled the driver. They just seem souless to me since the late 80's early 90's. Changing Mika to Kimi was just like changing from an i5 to an i7 but with a defective cooling fan.

Look at the drivers they have had since Prost and Senna. 1 world title in the last 14 years and 3 in the last 22 since Senna moved to Williams. What more evidence is needed that they can't pick drivers and if they can they can't build cars to keep them. The performance relative to the budget they have is **** poor.

Oh well as long as they win one in three.
 
Pretty sure Massa did the same thing last year, I certainly saw him crash and walk down to the pit lane in Free Practice as we all ran over to the infield to see the wreckage.
 
Only just started watching, has she got such a slow time as something broke as she was just doing slow getting up to speed type laps or did she do loads of laps before something broke and she showed almost no speed at all?
 
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