British Grand Prix 2014, Silverstone - Race 9/19

You just know if Rosberg beats Lewis by less points than a clear win that's all we will hear about for the next 10 years. I hope they both keep failing and Ricardo nicks it.

I said at the start of the year I'd be happy for either to win.

Which is it then ? :confused: On one hand you hope they both lose and on the other you're saying you'd be happy for either to win ? :confused:

I think it's you who needs to 'jog on' m8. ;)
 
Which is it then ? :confused: On one hand you hope they both lose and on the other you're saying you'd be happy for either to win ? :confused:

I think it's you who needs to 'jog on' m8. ;)

Again. Which is it ? You've contradicted yourself. Now man up and say why.
 
Again. Which is it ? You've contradicted yourself. Now man up and say why.

Jesus Christ is it that hard to understand.

At the START of the year I was happy for either to win. Then a race or so ago I said I would like Riccardo to nick it like Kimi did when Alonso and Lewis kept squabbling like teenage girls.

Quite why you think that requires manning up.

The clue was in START of the year, as unbelievable as this may sound you are allowed to change your mind on if you want drivers to win.
 
Fine. So now that you've made that clear and given your earlier post where you were whinging like a 'teenage girl', it must be safe to say that I was not far from the truth when I implied you were a Hammy hater. Seems like a natural conclusion given that Lewis is British and he just won the British Grand Prix and this is a British forum and the British people posting here seem happy. Yet oddly you're not happy ?
 
Although it took a while to repair, you can't leave a barrier like that. Hopefully the bump / drain will be looked at and smoothed out and expect at least a line of tyres in front of the armco now.
 
That was the DNF that Hamilton needed. He's well and truly back in the hunt now. I didn't think it was his best race, although I guess with that little to race against there wasn't much for him to do.
 
It kind of irritates me that drivers can go off the track and just expect to floor it and rejoin as if nothing has happened. I miss the days of gravel traps. Sure, there shouldn't be a massive bump there, but then drivers shouldn't assume that it is all clear either.

It is quite an impressive gap that Mercedes have pulled out over the rest of the field. I wonder if the teams will manage to catch them next year?
 
Awesome race, and an hour to fix the armco was pretty good going by all accounts and to argue it wasn't needed is one step backwards.

I'm more annoyed they disabled drs on the last lap that could potentially have given Jenson 3rd

That merc is one seriously quick car!
 
Sorry but I find that opinion utterly vapid and facile. That's the opinion btw, not you personally. Reason being that safety in F1 has to take priority in decisions made during a race. Once you subjugate safety in order to speed things up for the fans, you're negating potential fatal or even serious injury which could occur as a consequence. I saw Lauder's point about how improbable it would be for another driver to crash at that same point, but that is actually missing the point. What if the barrier wasn't repaired and another driver did hit it and someone died as a result ? Then what ? F1 needs to be cautious. If that means we all wait for an hour then big deal. Better that than someone die.

I agree that safety should come first, but it was almost comical seeing the groundsmen use hand held spanners to undo what seemed like mangled bolts. It should have been dealt with much quicker. I hope the bump that caused the accident gets looked into and Silverstone adopts better protocols to deal with repairing barriers quicker.
 
Although it took a while to repair, you can't leave a barrier like that. Hopefully the bump / drain will be looked at and smoothed out and expect at least a line of tyres in front of the armco now.

Im not 100% convinced that it makes that much difference.

There is a fraction of a percent chance that someone else would hit that barrier with enough force in exactly the right direction to go through / over it and to then prove its the dent itself that caused anything after that is frankly impossible

Of course put the sc out to clear the track and even red flag due to circumstances, and change the armco after the race but changing it during the race was not strictly necessary
 
Great race - Silverstone delivered. Fantastic battle between Alonso and Vettel, and I was shouting at JB to nick a third but Ricciardo's drive was just too awesome to nurse those tyres to the finish.

It would have been great to see Hamilton and Rosberg battle it out, but to complain about being denied that would be churlish. The race was immense.

Brilliant.
 
Not necessarily, all depends on how the Canadian fault is looked at.

Nico was able to finish the race with identical equipment with a different driver set bias on his brakes - why wasnt Lewis able to do the same?

Nico's driving is really harsh on gearboxes judging from the last race.
 
Not necessarily, all depends on how the Canadian fault is looked at.

Nico was able to finish the race with identical equipment with a different driver set bias on his brakes - why wasnt Lewis able to do the same?

Nico was in fresh air the whole race, Hamilton was tucked up behind his wing, Hamilton would have had noticeably higher air temps cooling his entire car, from brakes to engine. Considering the problems both were having that is quite clearly the main difference, it also wouldn't have helped that the team did another crappy and slower pitstop, the extra half a second or whatever it was with no brake cooling what were already hotter brakes, to blame Hamilton for that is nuts.

If we want to get into the blame game, what about Nico's clear and obvious cheating, both in being the first to attempt to use higher engine settings(he did it in race two afaik, Hamilton used it to defend in race 3), he clear as day messed up in Monaco... even if just on the slightest fraction of a percent chance that the lock up was unintentional the reversing towards the track ruining Hamilton's lap was VERY intentional(realistically both were intentional). He also basically ran Hamilton off the road in the first corner in Canada and cheated by cutting the chicane to give himself a gap receiving no penalty.

Consider that since then we've had a couple dozen, maybe more, laps wiped off in qualifying for gaining an advantage by leaving the track... he did the fastest lap of the race at the time and pulled out a large advantage that went completely unpunished.
 
Nico's driving is really harsh on gearboxes judging from the last race.

Apart from the fact that during the BBC commentary toto wolff even said that Nico 's gearbox was older than Lewis'

Nico was in fresh air the whole race, Hamilton was tucked up behind his wing, Hamilton would have had noticeably higher air temps cooling his entire car, from brakes to engine. Considering the problems both were having that is quite clearly the main difference, it also wouldn't have helped that the team did another crappy and slower pitstop, the extra half a second or whatever it was with no brake cooling what were already hotter brakes, to blame Hamilton for that is nuts.

If we want to get into the blame game, what about Nico's clear and obvious cheating, both in being the first to attempt to use higher engine settings(he did it in race two afaik, Hamilton used it to defend in race 3), he clear as day messed up in Monaco... even if just on the slightest fraction of a percent chance that the lock up was unintentional the reversing towards the track ruining Hamilton's lap was VERY intentional(realistically both were intentional). He also basically ran Hamilton off the road in the first corner in Canada and cheated by cutting the chicane to give himself a gap receiving no penalty.

Consider that since then we've had a couple dozen, maybe more, laps wiped off in qualifying for gaining an advantage by leaving the track... he did the fastest lap of the race at the time and pulled out a large advantage that went completely unpunished.

What a complete load of BS

No-one would intentionally lock up around Monaco of all places (and potentially waste the critical quali lap) , given how impossible it is to pass on the track these days.

A longer pitstop would also allow the brakes to cool normally a fraction of a bit longer too - Nico was 2nd in Canada therefore was not in clear air all the time through the race, so while LH may have had higher temps earlier using the same method (even if Lewis ' s car wasnt capable of being right behind Nico's because of this) he should still have been able to salvage some points - at least enough to be leading the drivers championship outright this morning.

Maybe you shoudl look at all the dodgy things Lewis has done over the years before accusing anyone else of "cheating"
 
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Not necessarily, all depends on how the Canadian fault is looked at.

Nico was able to finish the race with identical equipment with a different driver set bias on his brakes - why wasnt Lewis able to do the same?
Because Rosberg had clean cool air into his brakes and Lewis didn't?

Edit: Just read your reply above, rosberg had pretty much clear air for most of the race, Hamilton had none, it does make a difference, obviously.
 
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Not necessarily, all depends on how the Canadian fault is looked at.

Nico was able to finish the race with identical equipment with a different driver set bias on his brakes - why wasnt Lewis able to do the same?

Because as Lewis said, he was travelling close behind and had cooked his car by this point.
 
A longer pitstop would also allow the brakes to cool normally a fraction of a bit longer too.....

No, it is the car moving through the air that cools it so when a car is parked the brakes continue to heat, hence sometimes you see the brakes catch fire.

Why do you think they attack the leaf blowers to the cars?
 
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