Broke in 2 - my AMD 6000+ X2 - Fixable?

[BassPwr]

Broke in 2 - my AMD 6000+ X2 - Fixable? (pics added)

Hello everyone,

I'm a long time lurker here but I suppose this is good as time as any to take the plunge!

I have a rather disturbing true story to tell, while (admittedly not taking my time) removing the heatsink from a motherboard recently, the cpu (an amd 6000+ x2 3ghz) came off with it. While trying to remove the cpu from the heatsink afterwards, I managed to break the pin half of the cpu off the silver coloured part which attaches to the heatsink. The rectange core section is fixed to the silver coloured half, but I think it's supposed to be fixed in onto the half with the pins on? there's black stuff on the core section, I assume which sealed it to the pin half.

I also managed to bend a few pins, but I've straightened them out now.

Is the CPU too far from saving?
Is the core section on the wrong half and would it need removing from the silver coloured half and resealing onto the pin half?
There's a black material shaped groove around the edge of the pin half, I think this helped seal the 2 halves together, but it would need something to help seal it again.

Pushing the 2 halves together doesn't help, because they just become loose again, wouldn't be good on a motherboard, although since the heatsink is held in place I suppose it could be usable - not sure.

What does anyone think? any advice appreciated, oh, you can tell me how clumsy I am too

If anyone is interested, I could put some photos up...

 

[Snakedoctor]

Hi and welcome and claimed! I guess you may well be lucky, simply putting the two halves together and refitting the heatsink and fan to the Mobo may well be ok. CPUs can function with a pin removed, a mate had an AMD 754 processor which he snapped a pin off and it still worked. Try and make sure the surround is in contact with the paste. Good luck, it's up to you if you want to try it. I do not take any responcibility for any harm which may occur!

 

[maddness]

thaat sounds like a mess, if the core is away from the pcb then its rip

you gota post some pictures

edit: does it look something like this

.... just superglue it together and RMA it lol

 

[Smirnoff]

You can run it without the heatspreader, Just make sure you dont get any thermal paste on the components around the core of the chip, Also be carefull when installing the heatsink as you can crush or chip the unprotected core. If it doesnt work bin it and buy a new chip as AMD will never accept the chip back under warranty.

 

[maddness]

You can run it without the heatspreader, Just make sure you dont get any thermal paste on the components around the core of the chip, Also be carefull when installing the heatsink as you can crush or chip the unprotected core. If it doesnt work bin it and buy a new chip as AMD will never accept the chip back under warranty.

The rectange core section is fixed to the silver coloured half

either im reading that wrong or the core has been ripped from the socket

 

[BassPwr]

Hi and welcome and claimed! I guess you may well be lucky, simply putting the two halves together and refitting the heatsink and fan to the Mobo may well be ok. I do not take any responcibility for any harm which may occur!

Thanks for the welcome
don't worry, I won't come looking for you if I try anything that results in my hair getting burnt off.

Well, I'll probably try fitting it to another mobo tomorrow then. Reason I was removing it was because of a suspected faulty MSI K9N Ultra, but I was going to test the cpu in an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA to rule the cpu out. Problem I was having on the MSI was I had used that mobo and cpu fine for a few months until recently I was experiencing random shutdowns, and then system refused to power up completely (was power to the mobo, fans came on for 1 sec after power button pushed but then everything turned off). Funnily enough after the cpu had been removed from the MSI I connected just the main HD (no cards, just 1 stick of ram) and the drive spun up fine... but I'm not sure that indicates it's the CPU that was the problem, which is why I wanted to try it on another mobo. I tried another PSU before and it was doing the same (shutdown problems).

thaat sounds like a mess, if the core is away from the pcb then its rip

you gota post some pictures

edit: does it look something like this

.... just superglue it together and RMA it lol

It looks exactly like that, but the core rectangle is on the right hand part, not the pin part, I think it somehow tore off when the 2 parts seperated, reason they seperated was because I was trying to do a lifting method at first gently with flat head screwdrivers, which obviously wasn't the best road to take.

lol, it has been a messy experience, the thermal pad I used was a bitch and sealed so damn tight, but to be fair, the cpu has been unused for some weeks, so it's been harder to seperate. I didn't have a hairdryer handy, I had to use grippers and do a twisting method.. grippers gripping the cpu in 1 hand and heatsink in other hand, twisting in opposite directions to seperate. I've taken cpus from heatsinks before, but they have usually been much easier because the pad/paste has been used more recently.

You can run it without the heatspreader, Just make sure you dont get any thermal paste on the components around the core of the chip, Also be carefull when installing the heatsink as you can crush or chip the unprotected core. If it doesnt work bin it and buy a new chip as AMD will never accept the chip back under warranty.

Run without it? hmm, didn't know that was possible, are you sure it's possible with a cpu like this? it's a hot head lol thanks for the advice.

either im reading that wrong or the core has been ripped from the socket

yeah, it has been ripped, that's a good word to describe it

 

[JBuk]

if the core has been ripped off then its goosed

 

[Senture]

May I be the first to say TTIUWOP! (This Thread Is Useless Without Pictures)

As most of the previous posters have said, if the core has seperated from the PCB then it is dead. Somthing similar happend back when I had a pair of Xeon processors. They came with some pre applied silver paste to the generic cooler with this god awful clip holding the cooler to the socket. The paste went rock hard at anything less than 50 degrees binding the CPU to the cooler. Took 10 minutes to get the clip off the cooler resulting in the paste going cold and the CPU came out stuck to the cooler from a closed socket!

I put a small bit of water into a pan, heated it up so it was hot but just before the point of steaming and left the cooler in upside down for 15 mins. CPU came straight off then stuck the CPU in an airing cupboard for a week, both items survived (this was back when these chips were £400 a go )

 

[Mattus]

Pictures required! The silver heatspreader coming off is fairly common - people take them off deliberately to get lower temps. You can try reattaching it, or else leave it off and use a CPU cooler which screws down onto the CPU (a clip-on one won't touch the core any more.)

If the CPU core itself is attached to the heatspreader, then that's the first time I've ever heard of that and it's ruined.

 

[Hesky82]

Aren’t the new amd processor cores soldered to the IHS now?? i.e. making it near impossible to remove them without heat. Thats why lapping is more common now.
How much force would be needed to literally rip the die off the PCB??? Surly a heck of a lot!!

 

[pastymuncher]

If you have ripped the core off the chip then it's had it. Talk about over excessive use of force to remove a heatsink.


Lesson learnt..........................never use a thermal pad or tape and never use leverage to remove the heatsink. Always use a quality TIM material such as AS5, MX2 or OCZ Freeze and use a gentle twisting action to remove the heatsink.


You have to put up a piccy. Never heard of this hapening before.

 

[DavidB]

In case nobodys mentioned it, edit out the swearies!

 

[gareth170]

the easyer way to remove the heatsink is to leave the system running for 5-10min to heat it up then shutdown and then the heatsink should come off easy...

 

[Phil2008]

Hello everyone,

I'm a long time lurker here but I suppose this is good as time as any to take the plunge!

I have a rather disturbing true story to tell, while (admittedly not taking my time) removing the heatsink from a motherboard recently, the cpu (an amd 6000+ x2 3ghz) came off with it. While trying to remove the cpu from the heatsink afterwards, I managed to break the pin half of the cpu off the silver coloured part which attaches to the heatsink. The rectange core section is fixed to the silver coloured half, but I think it's supposed to be fixed in onto the half with the pins on? there's black stuff on the core section, I assume which sealed it to the pin half.

I also managed to bend a few pins, but I've straightened them out now.


Is the CPU too far from saving?
Is the core section on the wrong half and would it need removing from the silver coloured half and resealing onto the pin half?
There's a black material shaped groove around the edge of the pin half, I think this helped seal the 2 halves together, but it would need something to help seal it again.

Pushing the 2 halves together doesn't help, because they just become loose again, wouldn't be good on a motherboard, although since the heatsink is held in place I suppose it could be usable - not sure.

What does anyone think? any advice appreciated, oh, you can tell me how clumsy I am too

If anyone is interested, I could put some photos up...

A tip for next time when you remove a heatsink, twist the heatsink before pulling off, cos this will break the seal.

 

[Visage]

Hello everyone,

I'm a long time lurker here but I suppose this is good as time as any to take the plunge!

I have a rather disturbing true story to tell, while (admittedly not taking my time) removing the heatsink from a motherboard recently, the cpu (an amd 6000+ x2 3ghz) came off with it. While trying to remove the cpu from the heatsink afterwards, I managed to break the pin half of the cpu off the silver coloured part which attaches to the heatsink. The rectange core section is fixed to the silver coloured half, but I think it's supposed to be fixed in onto the half with the pins on? there's black stuff on the core section, I assume which sealed it to the pin half.

I also managed to bend a few pins, but I've straightened them out now.

Is the CPU too far from saving?
Is the core section on the wrong half and would it need removing from the silver coloured half and resealing onto the pin half?
There's a black material shaped groove around the edge of the pin half, I think this helped seal the 2 halves together, but it would need something to help seal it again.

Pushing the 2 halves together doesn't help, because they just become loose again, wouldn't be good on a motherboard, although since the heatsink is held in place I suppose it could be usable - not sure.

What does anyone think? any advice appreciated, oh, you can tell me how clumsy I am too

If anyone is interested, I could put some photos up...

No More Nails should fix it.

 

[Gashman]

sorry dude but i think its gonna be borked, i had similar sitaution occur with 3200+ venice processor where the actual core came off and was stuck to the IHS, didn't require much force either, last time i go tinkering with IHS, needless to say i believe it was borked so i got X2 instead

 

[Lightnix]

Reminds me of being in the hardware room at college, we were dismantling old computers for some reason (think it's a part of our course or something?), but the thermal material between the CPU and the heatsink had gone rock solid... Our tutor pried some of the CPUs off successfully, however mine was not so lucky, the core quite cleanly removed itself from the rest of the PCB. These were Socket 423 Willamette Pentium 4's I think.

 

[errata]

Every interconnect from the core to the pins has been severed it
dead, ceased to be, an ex cpu

I suspect AMD might notice assuming they actually test these things as no pins at all would have any continuity with the core but its worth a try.

 

[Hesky82]

AMD test?? meh will cost them more to do that than just replacing it. That’s if it gets a far as the shop he purchased it from!

 

[gareth170]

amd don't test the faulty processors. they only do a V/M (Visual Mechanical) Inspection. when i sent my phenom back to amd on 20 april they only did a V/M.