Bruce Lee vs....

Buttkicker · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:11

this thread has popped up again, and all the moviegoers talking about actors beating REAL fighters makes me bust a gut laughing
no lightweight in any fight sport, in history would be put in with a much stronger and harder hitting heavier opponent - it has never happened and will never happen
the reasons being obvious... yet such a=si the power of film and TV that people believe these things, just the same as people believing Coronation st and eastenders is real

the facts are that Lee would not last a round with any world class fighter above his weight class

For years and years in Boxing Light heavyweights who move up in weight have never done well against the naturully bigger men. so how on earth could a lightweight possibly beat a heavyweight

Oh I forgot Bruce lee looks great in Chorographed fight scenes taking on 200 people at a time
get real people - its a film

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:13

Buttkicker said:
this thread has popped up again, and all the moviegoers talking about actors beating REAL fighters makes me bust a gut laughing
no lightweight in any fight sport, in history would be put in with a much stronger and harder hitting heavier opponent - it has never happened and will never happen
the reasons being obvious... yet such a=si the power of film and TV that people believe these things, just the same as people believing Coronation st and eastenders is real

the facts are that Lee would not last a round with any world class fighter above his weight class

For years and years in Boxing Light heavyweights who move up in weight have never done well against the naturully bigger men. so how on earth could a lightweight possibly beat a heavyweight

Oh I forgot Bruce lee looks great in Chorographed fight scenes taking on 200 people at a time
get real people - its a film

You talking against a fighter, or a boxer? Because iv seen plenty of "bigger" guys get the stuffing taken out of them by a smaller guy in a fight. In boxing, obviously the sport favours the bigger sized.

MrSix · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:14

willd58 said:
So what,were just gunna completely ignore grappling?

No, IF Fedor actually managed to engage Lee in some sort of grapple then unless Lee could get an actual strike on a pressure point (of which there are 365 and Lee was VERY good at using them) then Fedor would win through submission. If Lee could get access to a pressure point, then I think he'd be able to put Fedor in enough discomfort to disengage from the grapple and get back to stand up fighting.

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:18

MrSix said:
then unless Lee could get an actual strike on a pressure point (of which there are 365 and Lee was VERY good at using them)

The minute people start talking about things like this, you realise your discussing MMA with people who clearly have no clue on the sport or of any professional fighting.

There are 3 camps in this discussion
#1 OMG Bruce Lee is Ninj4 and can kill people with one finger
#2 Pffft, Bruce Lee was just about as hard as a power ranger actor because all he did were movies

and then theres the camp that knows a bit about MMA.

reflex · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:18

Royce Gracie has many fights with people above his weight - Anybody remember UFC 1?

in 1 night he beat 3 or 4 opponants, no rules or time limit and 1 of them was a huge giant and the other a boxer.

Grappling and groundwork in a fight are essential, punching is only 1 part of a fight.

benjo plz. · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:19

Buttkicker said:
this thread has popped up again, and all the moviegoers talking about actors beating REAL fighters makes me bust a gut laughing

Bruce Lee was a fighter before he was an actor :\.

Treefrog · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:20

willd58 said:
So what,were just gunna completely ignore grappling?

That's the idea of using kicks - stay out of grappling range.

MrSix · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:20

willd58 said:
The minute people start talking about things like this, you realise your discussing MMA with people who clearly have no clue on the sport or of any professional fighting.

There are 3 camps in this discussion
#1 OMG Bruce Lee is Ninj4 and can kill people with one finger
#2 Pffft, Bruce Lee was just about as hard as a power ranger actor because all he did were movies

and then theres the camp that knows a bit about MMA.

I'm sorry, who are you again?

I talk about Pressure points, a valid part of any martial art and you dismiss me as somebody who knows nothing about MMA.

Could you please explain the relationship between the two and how me discussing pressure points has any relevance to my MMA knowledge?

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:20

Treefrog said:
That's the idea of using kicks - stay out of grappling range.

Yea, thats worked well throughout the MMA hasnt it. :rolleyes:

Efour · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:21

Is this a serious thread or another one of them internet jokes im too old to grasp?

benjo plz. · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:22

Efour2 said:
Is this a serious thread or another one of them internet jokes im too old to grasp?

This thread's a joke.

davestar_delux · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:23

IIRC Bruce Lee won many martial arts competitions against champions of different martial arts and developed his own style which was a mixture of every other martial art he had learned - so you could say he was the first mixed martial artist (although I don't think he ever got around to any kind of grappling).

So he does have a record outwith his movies, i'm not interested enough to look it up though

Secondly, in the early days of UFC there were no weight divisions and Royce Gracie ruled beating much larger and stronger opponents.

As for who would win, i'm sitting on the fence because I'm a fan of both MMA and Bruce Lee.

MrSix · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:24

I'm inclined to agree.

I can't help myself posting in threads like this because I enjoy martial arts (Enough so that teaching it is my job) - but I just can't stand the ego's that seem to go with some so called Martial Artists. It disheartens me and makes me wonder about the future of martial arts as many of the practitioners that are passing on these arts are actually complete tools.

reflex · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:24

davestar_delux said:
Secondly, in the early days of UFC there were no weight divisions and Royce Gracie ruled beating much larger and stronger opponents.

Yup exactly what i tried to say, Royce Gracie is a total legend and i love the fight with him owning that Giant guy!

benjo plz. · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:25

davestar_delux said:
so you could say he was the first mixed martial artist (although I don't think he ever got around to any kind of grappling).

I'm pretty sure Jeet Kune Do is classed as an MMA, so that's right I guess.

Buttkicker · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:25

willd58 said:
You talking against a fighter, or a boxer? Because iv seen plenty of "bigger" guys get the stuffing taken out of them by a smaller guy in a fight. In boxing, obviously the sport favours the bigger sized.

I cant really think of a single fighting sport where light or welter weights are allowed to fight light or heavyweights
as to the bigger guys getting the stuffing knocked out of them, it might happen in the clubs and pubs of your area, I am referring to trained fighters Wrestlers/MMA/Boxers
the facts are that Actors dont beat up world class fighter 4 weight divisions above there own

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:25

MrSix said:
I'm sorry, who are you again?

Will, we met at the RR day

MrSix said:
I talk about Pressure points, a valid part of any martial art

Maybe its a valid part of a Mc Dojo weekly routine, but anyone who brings up that kind of nonsence when discussing an MMA fight clearly deserves to be dismissed as someone who know noting about MMA, which is what i did

MrSix said:
and you dismiss me as somebody who knows nothing about MMA.

Yea, pretty much.

MrSix said:
Could you please explain the relationship between the two and how me discussing pressure points has any relevance to my MMA knowledge?

Because in a fight, any real fight, pressure points of that kind are not guna be used. There are none of these "ill put my finger in your arm pit and paralyze yous!!!" fairy boys in the UFC, Pride, etc etc.

Fedor would kill Lee, very swiftly.

benjo plz. · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:28

willd58 said:
Because in a fight, any real fight, pressure points of that kind are not guna be used. There are none of these "ill put my finger in your arm pit and paralyze yous!!!" fairy boys in the UFC, Pride, etc etc.

You smack a guy in the throat and crush their windpipe, which is a pressure point, and kill them.

MrSix · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:28

Clearly you don't understand the principles of pressure points.

"I'm gonna stick my finger in your armpit and paralyse you" - good job, obviously you have a much broader knowledge of all things combat than me.

willd58 · 3 Sep 2006 at 20:28

Buttkicker said:
I cant really think of a single fighting sport where light or welter weights are allowed to fight light or heavyweights
as to the bigger guys getting the stuffing knocked out of them, it might happen in the clubs and pubs of your area, I am referring to trained fighters Wrestlers/MMA/Boxers
the facts are that Actors dont beat up world class fighter 4 weight divisions above there own

4 posts above you.... read the thread before contributing, and try and atleast know a little about what your talking about.

reflex said:
Royce Gracie has many fights with people above his weight - Anybody remember UFC 1?

in 1 night he beat 3 or 4 opponants, no rules or time limit and 1 of them was a huge giant and the other a boxer.

Grappling and groundwork in a fight are essential, punching is only 1 part of a fight.