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BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

Discussion in 'Networks & Internet Connectivity' started by michellez, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. KIA

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Nov 14, 2004

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    Infinity is a BT product & FTTC is the wholesale product.

    http://www.thinkbroadband.com/guide/fibre-broadband.html

    No, it doesn't.
     
  2. Relentless81

    Sgarrista

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    How so? VM are riddled with this problem, I am one of there latest victims after years of trouble free service
     
  3. Biffa

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    Location: Surrey

  4. SiriusB

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 14,447

    Location: Manchester

    Had no problems with gaming, though don't do very much multiplayer these days.

    I rarely use Bittorrent anymore, but the few times I have used it in the last few months it has been OK. I generally expect to wait all night for torrents anyway, as all the ones I tend to get have no seeds!

    Usenet is fantabulous. I connect via SSL and I don't think I have ever seen it below 3.0MB/s and I download at various times of the day.

    The HH is alright, but I replaced it after a month with an Asus RT-N16 running TomatoUSB. The HH is fine if you don't need anything fancy, but its interface annoyed me and the wireless was a bit flaky at times.

    Question for BT I think! :p
     
  5. Hutchy

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jun 27, 2009

    Posts: 1,067

    Location: Manchester

    I currently use Aquiss.

    They have a business package and a home package.

    I generally find as a gamer and offpeak downloader that the business is best.

    Sure 45gb sounds like a very small amount, but it's only onpeak times, after 8pm and the whole weekend is unlimited with no traffic shaping what so ever.

    Speedtest
    [​IMG]

    The above equates to 4.65MB/s on usenet.
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2011
  6. House

    Mobster

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    Location: Back in the UK

    Except Zen and eclipse i havent heard of most of those listed. Why hasnt a main stream ISP jumped on this yet? im guesing its down to reselling price? note how every one of those is significantly more than BTs offer.
     
  7. lurkio

    Mobster

    Joined: May 20, 2010

    Posts: 2,950

    Location: World

    Iam also on Aquiss FTTC , there is not traffic shaping as such BUT there is ALT

    Anti profit Loss Tool , if too much bandwidth is being used on an access node everyone on that node starts to get throttled until utilisation drops.

    So you might start a download at 4.3MB/s but after 30 seconds your speed
    begins to drop (I have seen it drop as low as 220KB/s )
    After being with them 1 week my average for all the downloads I have done
    is about 2.5MB/s - 3.0MB/s (need crunch more numbers tonight)
     
  8. michellez

    Gangster

    Joined: Mar 19, 2005

    Posts: 326

    Location: London, England

    Thanks everyone, interesting reading :) I had not thought about BitTorrent.
     
  9. Hutchy

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Manchester

    Is this not the case with all BT Wholesale products though?

    If so then surely this applies no matter what ISP you go with for FTTC.
     
  10. muon

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    This type of dropping outside of bittorrent and 300GB FUP limits haven't been reported by BT Infinity customer afaik.
     
  11. rpstewart

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    Location: Greenock, Scotland

    There's no point in an ISP which has an existing LLU platform going with FFTC. Their business models are based on using cheaper third party backhauls to exchanges which offer a decent return on the investment. Going FFTC would mean having to use BT's backhauls which are more expensive so they wouldn't be able to offer the same improved price/performance ratio that LLU gives them.

    The ISPs listed in the article are the smaller niche ISPs which tend to sell themselves on quality rather than price. There are enough people who are willing to pay extra for better support and better capacity to keep the ISPs going at the higher price.
     
  12. KIA

    Man of Honour

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    Cable is not the same as VDSL2+.

    No & no.
     
  13. lurkio

    Mobster

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    No , the depends on how the ISP manages traffic coming onto their network

    When a node hit 90% capacity enta then begin the throttle everyone connected through that node

    I cannot say what other ISP's do
     
  14. Zarf

    Mobster

    Joined: Jul 11, 2007

    Posts: 2,527

    I'm just going on a post in the ThinkBroadband forums by a guy claiming to work for an ISP doing an evaluation of the Tech.
    Too early to tell if he was right or not, It'll take a couple of years for takeup to be significant.

    If you have any hard evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it though.
     
  15. muon

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    But he's some guy on a forum as well :D

    I think evidence has to be shown that the sync speeds will fall rather than that they won't.
     
  16. KIA

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    He was talking out of his arse! :)

    Post the same question at http://forums.thinkbroadband.com/fibre.html if you need proof.
     
  17. Gammawolf

    Wise Guy

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    Location: Sheffield, UK

    Just thought i'd add to my earlier expereinces that p2p download throttling really does depends on congestion at the time. Atm i've got a torrent going at about 10mbps, time is 7:32pm, thursday evening :D
     
  18. muon

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    Why are you uploading torrents at 10Mbps?

    I completely understand why they throttle p2p uploads to 1Mbps.

    Imagine at peak time a large number of users uploading at 10Mbps (would easily happen since so many users don't bother to cap uploads in bittorrent clients). Completely cripple the network.
     
    Last edited: Feb 10, 2011
  19. Gammawolf

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    Downloading at 10mbps :p, and bt do say they give p2p lower priority at peak times so i'm just assuming theres ample capacity round me or else p2p would be the first to be cut down at these times.
     
  20. muon

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    Do they throttle downloads? I thought it was only uploads (which indirectly affect downloads).