BT is rolling out FTTH!

Tute said:
They should be made to go back and install 21CN properly in the cabinets they've missed out.

I mean what the hell is the point in offering those already on 40MBit a jump to 100s of MBits when there are still people around who can't even get 1MBit?

It really boils my urine. I think something similar should happen to Virgin regarding helping to get faster internet out to smaller towns and villages, rather than let the two of them have some stupid inner-city broadband race while everyone else is stuck below the national average.
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Just as soon as somebody other than their shareholders has to pay for it, for all the moaning about the landline tax the amount the government is offering to enable rural broadband is pathetic. BT and VM are private companies, serving their most valuable customers before wasting massive amount delivering a universal 50Mbit service is common sense.
 
Dr House said:
is there any real world difference between 24mb/p and 300mb/p for the average day to day person?
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None at all. I have the average usage data for thousands of our users and I know categorically that 90%+ have no use for faster connections currently.

What does make a difference is going from 800k up to 10Mbit up, that's actually the most useful bit of FTTC right now and what will do the most for users and business in the medium term.
 
I'd like to just get FTTC for now, whilst all the cabinets have been installed in my area and the two neighbouring streets are able to get it, it's not currently available where I live. I'd try calling them, but I'm sure if I do I'll only end up speaking with someone who still thinks the Earth is flat!
 
Gammawolf said:
I like BT :D 400GB a month with no hassles, 37Mb down, 8Mbps up. Can't wait for the 80mbps upgrade and hopefully the FTTH after that, my area seems fairly high up in the upgrade list as i've had FTTC for over a year now. Time will tell.
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Can't see it happening for years. They are struggling as it is to get people to upgrade from ADSL2 to FTTC (what is it ATM? 5Million houses covered and only a couple of hundred thousand subscribers?) Even upgrading rural areas to FTTC is a stronger business case than upgrading FTTC areas to FTTH.
 
S@njay said:
Getting my FTTH installed later on this month :)

Going from a 1.7mb connection to upto 100mb!

Its only for a trial up to the end of December, i should find out the prices for the full product in January.

This is for most homes in Milton Keynes which connect to the "Bradwell Abbey" exchange.
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You've been very lucky to get on the trial. Been trying for ages, but not going to happen.

And this isn't for most homes connected to Bradwell Abbey. Its for mostly new builds and some areas that BT managed to get Fibre to.

This list is from MK Council.
Walnut Tree
Kents Hill
Loughton
Middleton
Walton Park
Campbell Park
Willen
Monkston
Monkston Park
Shenley Lodge
Woolstone
Bleak Hall
Woughton on the Green
If you live in one of those areas then you should be able to get FTTC/FTTPH

Considering the areas not listed that is about a third of what is connected to the Bradwell Abbey exchange.

Plus the take up figures for MK aren't that great, either for the Trial but also possibly FTTC.

The only new messages that emerged from are that BT is very disappointed with the take-up of FTTC from the exchanges now enabled and similarly the low take-up of the FTTP trial from the 11k premises passed. This latter figure still stands at approx 600. No figures were provided of the FTTC take-up. The council and BT need many more responses to the Broadband survey on the MK website, where about only 600 responses had been received
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Taken from minutes from last MK Council/BT sponsored Broadband Forum. available on the Milton Keynes Broadband Action Group website

So if you know more people who want faster internet get them to fill in this survey and see if we can get some movement in Milton Keynes.
 
So at 300Mbit/s how much will Firewalling/NAT kit cost or are people going to build their own hardware router/firewalls to handle the throughput?

There is 1GBit/Sec on trial here currently and the hardware I would need to NAT/SPI that is sickening :D

Maybe a pure download box in a DMZ and only rely on NAT/Firewalling for the sensitive data.
 
I was speaking to an engineer today, and was asking about FTTC in my area.

He told me all the local schools, hospitals and libraries have fibre (including one school in the rural village not to far). When he got to the bit about the village school I asked why they haven't done the village.. as I know they get half a meg at max, to which he replied "cost cutting. All it would take is a cab to be connected up, the fibre is going through there anyway".

This gives you an idea to how backwards they are as a company.

Pump out faster speeds to those lucky enough to get the service, shaft everyone else.
 
i just want to be able to stream a youtube video without having to buffer it :'(.. damn you 56KBps [but hey 150KBps on a good day!]
 
EVH said:
I was speaking to an engineer today, and was asking about FTTC in my area.

He told me all the local schools, hospitals and libraries have fibre (including one school in the rural village not to far). When he got to the bit about the village school I asked why they haven't done the village.. as I know they get half a meg at max, to which he replied "cost cutting. All it would take is a cab to be connected up, the fibre is going through there anyway".

This gives you an idea to how backwards they are as a company.

Pump out faster speeds to those lucky enough to get the service, shaft everyone else.
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This makes me lol hard, engineers will give you any story and all stories I talk to people with broadband issues everyday and when it comes to residential lines is a supply on demand basis. If people in your area are in demand for higher speed broadband it will be fitted. Their would be no point fitting FTTC or FTTP to an area full of people who dont have internet just so 1 or 2 people who do use internet can get a faster service. Its not cost effective.
 
BT can't even get FTTC sorted in my area, it's been delayed so far for 6 months so I doubt we'll see FTTH available for at least another 5 years

MW
 
Setsuna said:
This makes me lol hard, engineers will give you any story and all stories I talk to people with broadband issues everyday and when it comes to residential lines is a supply on demand basis. If people in your area are in demand for higher speed broadband it will be fitted. Their would be no point fitting FTTC or FTTP to an area full of people who dont have internet just so 1 or 2 people who do use internet can get a faster service. Its not cost effective.
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Catch 22... If it was there they would want it and use it, if it's not there they can't have it and therefore it won't be fitted...
 
TFC said:
Catch 22... If it was there they would want it and use it, if it's not there they can't have it and therefore it won't be fitted...
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a yes but its been fitted for business needs not residential so its on different line cards in the exchange so.. no residential would not get it as its not their for residential.
 
EVH said:
I was speaking to an engineer today, and was asking about FTTC in my area.

He told me all the local schools, hospitals and libraries have fibre (including one school in the rural village not to far). When he got to the bit about the village school I asked why they haven't done the village.. as I know they get half a meg at max, to which he replied "cost cutting. All it would take is a cab to be connected up, the fibre is going through there anyway".

This gives you an idea to how backwards they are as a company.

Pump out faster speeds to those lucky enough to get the service, shaft everyone else.
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Unfortunately this is basically completely rubbish. The engineers don't have a clue what they're on about (if they did, they wouldn't be BT engineers to be honest).

There are multiple reasons why this isn't anything like the same thing, virtually everywhere of any size has a fibre link for a business or school or something. These services have absolutely no relation or similarity to FTTC, the fact they use fibre is irrelevant, architecturally completely different.
 
Sin_Chase said:
So at 300Mbit/s how much will Firewalling/NAT kit cost or are people going to build their own hardware router/firewalls to handle the throughput?

There is 1GBit/Sec on trial here currently and the hardware I would need to NAT/SPI that is sickening :D

Maybe a pure download box in a DMZ and only rely on NAT/Firewalling for the sensitive data.
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The correct answer is stop using NAT and start firewalling properly, NAT dies with IPv6 adoption anyway (And it should, it's horrible). The hardware aspect isn't hard anymore, a 1Ghz CPU running linux will route a Gig of traffic at wire speed, to firewall flows should still be easy enough for 300-400Mbps with more optimised software.
 
bigredshark said:
The correct answer is stop using NAT and start firewalling properly, NAT dies with IPv6 adoption anyway (And it should, it's horrible). The hardware aspect isn't hard anymore, a 1Ghz CPU running linux will route a Gig of traffic at wire speed, to firewall flows should still be easy enough for 300-400Mbps with more optimised software.
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Consumer appliances (IE Routers) don't pack that kind of hardware though? I am well aware you do not need a stupid amount of hardware power to do the firewalling but it's not the sort of hardware you commonly find in consumer products though?
 
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