BT is rolling out FTTH!

Just as soon as somebody other than their shareholders has to pay for it, for all the moaning about the landline tax the amount the government is offering to enable rural broadband is pathetic. BT and VM are private companies, serving their most valuable customers before wasting massive amount delivering a universal 50Mbit service is common sense.
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In ireland bt refused to pay until the taxpayer spent half of what was needed to get fibre to about 30% of the pop.Then there is the 50p tax on top of that from the london based goverment of which we got 6m from a 590m total budget (800m by 2015)

So after we pay for half of this fibre around the uk bt still gets to own the fibre network and and charge us for it to make HUGE profits? I believe bt profits went up by 40% this quarter due to all the job cuts they made too?

The whole system is a scam and no one can see that we paid for the fibre AND pay for over inflated prices and terrible access.My mum gets 8mb and does not even have 21cn yet when i moved i got 40mb infinity by pure luck.she paid the same as me yet gets 8mb.


So bottom line is bt are a disgusting company.Check out the link below for a laugh they promise 88% fibre coverage by 2012!

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/20...ttc-broadband-cover-for-northern-ireland.html
 
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Sin_Chase said:
Consumer appliances (IE Routers) don't pack that kind of hardware though? I am well aware you do not need a stupid amount of hardware power to do the firewalling but it's not the sort of hardware you commonly find in consumer products though?
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No, in general the hardware is lower end but there's no reason why they couldn't realistically, the Apple TV has a 1Ghz CPU for <£100, the price of a mini ITX dual core Atom boards is around the £60 mark. You could make something with similar hardware, sell it for ~£100 and still make enough margin.
 
As has been covered by many already, BT can shove FTTH up their management's asses for all I care.

They need to concentrate on sorting out the majority of the network to a suitable for this century level instead of going for the attention grabbing headlines.
 
Rofflay said:
In ireland bt refused to pay until the taxpayer spent half of what was needed to get fibre to about 30% of the pop.Then there is the 50p tax on top of that from the london based goverment of which we got 6m from a 590m total budget (800m by 2015)

So after we pay for half of this fibre around the uk bt still gets to own the fibre network and and charge us for it to make HUGE profits? I believe bt profits went up by 40% this quarter due to all the job cuts they made too?

The whole system is a scam and no one can see that we paid for the fibre AND pay for over inflated prices and terrible access.My mum gets 8mb and does not even have 21cn yet when i moved i got 40mb infinity by pure luck.she paid the same as me yet gets 8mb.

So bottom line is bt are a disgusting company.Check out the link below for a laugh they promise 88% fibre coverage by 2012!

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/20...ttc-broadband-cover-for-northern-ireland.html
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So, BT said it wasn't economically viable for them so they wouldn't do it unless govermnet subsidised it. The government decided to subsidise it. Exactly what is your problem with BT here? I can understand you being angry with the government for subsidising it but BT made a logical commercial decision - what did you expect them to do?

There's also the issue that Northern Ireland is one big subsidy, so makes a poor case study for such issues.

BT (and Virgin Media for that matter) are indeed horrible companies and doing untold damage to the ISP industry and internet in general, but in this case their commercial judgement is spot on and difficult to question.
 
Memphis said:
As has been covered by many already, BT can shove FTTH up their management's asses for all I care.

They need to concentrate on sorting out the majority of the network to a suitable for this century level instead of going for the attention grabbing headlines.
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But if they don't go for the attention grabbing headlines they'll loose more customers to Virgin, have less money to invest and actually end up in the equivalent of their position 5 years ago (that is, functional but legacy network with no ability to adapt to the future).

This isn't actually BTs fault, it's people's fault for being stupid and abetting the race to the bottom among ISPs in price terms. Of course service and investment will suffer and short sited consumers get plenty of blame alongside greedy talktalk execs and the rest.

Investment in the existing network and new technology can't be an either/or thing, if you choose one of them alone then you're stuffed. If you get the balance wrong you're stuffed. There aren't that many talented people around to get it right, and none of them want to work for BT.
 
So, BT said it wasn't economically viable for them so they wouldn't do it unless govermnet subsidised it. The government decided to subsidise it. Exactly what is your problem with BT here? I can understand you being angry with the government for subsidising it but BT made a logical commercial decision - what did you expect them to do?
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Not making huge job cuts and inflated FTTX prices would be a start considering the taxpayer paid for half of thier fibre infanstructure yet see none of the 500m profits BT shareholders and wine drinkers do.

If BT had any morals they would have smaller profits for a few years or investment where they only broke even just to get fibre laid across the UK.BT do it at a snails pace with the lesser product that has to rely on thier age old money grabbing copper network.

I just hate them full stop tbh everything about them is wrong and immoral.Bt could give the whole UK FTTP if they put up the money.The gov has a budget of 600m too and i think bt's was 1.5b odd? Paying for 1/3 of it yourself can u imagine if you bought a car and had to put the wheels on and still pay the same prices.
 
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I really don't even know where to begin. And yes of course... all of BT's profits come directly from broadband sales, great insight there! :rolleyes:

Rofflay said:
Not making huge job cuts and inflated FTTX prices would be a start considering the taxpayer paid for half of thier fibre infanstructure yet see none of the 500m profits BT shareholders and wine drinkers do.

If BT had any morals they would have smaller profits for a few years or investment where they only broke even just to get fibre laid across the UK.BT do it at a snails pace with the lesser product that has to rely on thier age old money grabbing copper network.

I just hate them full stop tbh everything about them is wrong and immoral.Bt could give the whole UK FTTP if they put up the money.The gov has a budget of 600m too and i think bt's was 1.5b odd? Paying for 1/3 of it yourself can u imagine if you bought a car and had to put the wheels on and still pay the same prices.
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Hi, just to update my ftth has been fully installed!

Going from my 1.7mb connection to this is amazing. No more buffering!


My only issue is that none my my wireless devices can actually harness all of my new bandwidth :(
 
Reading this, I knew FTTH would eventually be here but I didn't expect them to start rolling it out this quick. I am still only on 14Mb and am currently thinking of upgrading to BT's FTTC and get 35Mb. It's moving so quickly!
 
So Jealous, moved house from a 100/10 cable connection to a 13 meg adsl with 768k upload :( :( and theres no sign of my exchange getting fftc let alone ftth at any point :(
 
FTTH they should sort out the rest of the rubbish infrastructure first! They stopped FTTC about 500m from where I live, so 80% of the area, the bits that probably won't even want it have got it and I'm stuck on 1Mbps if I'm lucky. Wouldn't mind but this isn't the middle of nowhere...
 
Troezar said:
FTTH they should sort out the rest of the rubbish infrastructure first! They stopped FTTC about 500m from where I live, so 80% of the area, the bits that probably won't even want it have got it and I'm stuck on 1Mbps if I'm lucky. Wouldn't mind but this isn't the middle of nowhere...
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Its the same where I live, I can throw a stone from my window and hit the fttc box, but since im on another one the next street over that doesnt have a cab on it then im screwed. Not even half of the boxes have a FTTC cab here, whats the point in doing a half arsed job, especially for streets that don't have virgin media also, you would think they would be the first ones targeted due to the probability of higher uptake!
 
Rofflay said:
Not making huge job cuts and inflated FTTX prices would be a start considering the taxpayer paid for half of thier fibre infanstructure yet see none of the 500m profits BT shareholders and wine drinkers do.

If BT had any morals they would have smaller profits for a few years or investment where they only broke even just to get fibre laid across the UK.BT do it at a snails pace with the lesser product that has to rely on thier age old money grabbing copper network.

I just hate them full stop tbh everything about them is wrong and immoral.Bt could give the whole UK FTTP if they put up the money.The gov has a budget of 600m too and i think bt's was 1.5b odd? Paying for 1/3 of it yourself can u imagine if you bought a car and had to put the wheels on and still pay the same prices.
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You speak a lot of rubbish, where's your evidence that the taxpayer has paid for half of BT's fibre infastructure?!?!? BT are putting £2.5bn of their money into this project, the £800m offered by the government is to subsidise high speed broadband in areas that are not commercially viable for investment by a private company - this money is open to bidding by any company not just BT. I know BT have successfully bidded for some of this money but not all of it. You really think BT could give everyone FTTP??!?!??! I've heard estimates of £30bn+ for that to happen, even for a profitable company like BT that's 10 years + of profits gone. I really do hate the way many people criticise BT for the sake of it, I have more reason than most to hate them as I work for them (I'm one of those 'useless' openreach engineers) but it seems that a lot of the criticism levelled at them is not deserved.
 
McHaMmEr said:
You speak a lot of rubbish, where's your evidence that the taxpayer has paid for half of BT's fibre infastructure?!?!? BT are putting £2.5bn of their money into this project, the £800m offered by the government is to subsidise high speed broadband in areas that are not commercially viable for investment by a private company - this money is open to bidding by any company not just BT. I know BT have successfully bidded for some of this money but not all of it. You really think BT could give everyone FTTP??!?!??! I've heard estimates of £30bn+ for that to happen, even for a profitable company like BT that's 10 years + of profits gone. I really do hate the way many people criticise BT for the sake of it, I have more reason than most to hate them as I work for them (I'm one of those 'useless' openreach engineers) but it seems that a lot of the criticism levelled at them is not deserved.
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I was chatting to a work colleague about this the other day, a large proportion of BT's consumer market has the notion that BT are obligated to spend £1000s to install fibre to their home / street cabinet and yet they ***** and whine when they are asked to pay more than £2.50 / month for it.

BT has their problems, their business model is not one of them. Want fast broadband, then buy a lease line FFS. You aren't entitled to anything :rolleyes:
 
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