BT ordered to block pirate links
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Is that the best absurd comparison you can come up with.
Where are review sites braking the law?
Where are reviewing sites "stealing" unpaid for intellectual property?
and on top of that there is already liable laws.
So LOL....
it already is?
I mean as trivial as it is with mp3's and images.
I think Krooton's point was more about how these companies feel they are entitled to earn a certain amount of money, and how absurd their loss of revenue claims really are. As he pointed out, "loss of revenue" is quite a vague term, and if they want to try and get punishments levied for it, then you have to consider things like he described, review sites saying it's crap, your mate saying it's crap, anything that might put some people off paying money out for it could be considered a "loss of revenue".
I would still say it already is, sure it might take 40 minutes to an hour to download a 1080p movie, but it's still trivial.
The two are not the same and can't be compared.
That is also why it is impossible to convict in the uk, because we don't have punitive charges unlike Merida.
This is why the law needs to be changed. It's not right, it is doing harm and it most certainly should be criminal.
Review sites apply to alas editors and it isn't a problem unless they go to far then you can sue. It is absolutely stupid to compare the two.
There's quite a big difference between how readily someone can post an image or small file and something like a full hd film, think what forums would be like if people could post a film like they do an image, it would increase copyright infringement massively and be even harder to control.
there already are forums full of HD movies and streaming mvoies etc
They can, the ridiculousness of each can be compared.
And what purpose would that actually serve?
Oh wow, that's just made me lose a bit of respect for you. You actually think it should be a criminal offence? What sort of purpose would that serve other than increasing the amount of people with criminal convictions? The law does not need to be changed at all, it's a civil matter and should stay a civil matter
Too far? How exactly do you quantify that? It seems you've missed the point though, it was talking about "loss of revenue" a review site that doesn't give a positive review of something, which results in the site's readers not giving money out for whatever's being reviewed could be considered a loss of revenue, it's pretty simple really.
How the hell can you compare review sites and copyright infringement.
Do you get in a huff about review sites for cars? The two are not the same.
The reason punitive charges make a difference, is under uk law you have to prove how much revenue you have lost. This is absolutely impossible as you yourself pointed out.
Why should it be civil? When so many other laws are criminal? What will it change? Unlike hardened criminals the general public do consider punishment and conviction rates.
Why should IP rights be so under protected compared to over revenue streams.
Review site. Loss of revenue is not the same one is illegal obtaining IP the other is expressing opinion which is meant to be factual or at least opinionated. If it is passing an opinion of as factual it goes to far and you win the case.
Do you get in a huff about review sites for cars? The two are not the same.
The reason punitive charges make a difference, is under uk law you have to prove how much revenue you have lost. This is absolutely impossible as you yourself pointed out.
Why should it be civil? When so many other laws are criminal? What will it change? Unlike hardened criminals the general public do consider punishment and conviction rates.
Why should IP rights be so under protected compared to over revenue streams.
Review site. Loss of revenue is not the same one is illegal obtaining IP the other is expressing opinion which is meant to be factual or at least opinionated. If it is passing an opinion of as factual it goes to far and you win the case.
It pretty much already is like that. Piracy is here to stay really, the reason all this fuss is made about it is because these companies can't help but look at piracy and think "they're all lost sales, they're stealing from us".
All these industries are regularly posting recording earnings for that year, while on the otherhand whinging and claiming they're losing so much money that people are losing jobs.
Considering the amount of things you hear about these companies who love to get litigious over copyright infringement, being guilty of profiting from selling media they didn't have a license for, or have offices full of computers with cracked software, I just can't begin to consider thinking about maying deciding to take these companies seriously.
No it isn't. The bottom line is that companies are bleating about loss of revenue.
If piracy didn't relate to their "estimated" loss of revenue, then they wouldn't give a monkey's if it was or wasn't illegal.
They love to gloss over the fact that 80%+ of music and films released are trash. They also ignore that media in any format has changed completely from how it was in the early 1900s and continue to use outdated models.
Rather than innovate, they just want to stick to the old ways and blaming piracy is an easy out.
As a personal example, I pirated many a game since the mid 90s, but since getting set up with Steam, I have pirated none. Why? Because Steam's business model and technical design are essentially what I was getting from pirating, and I am happy to pay for that service. Spend £50 on a brand new game a few years ago, find out it is crap, tough, they made their money and don't care.
because media is so grossly unregulated compared to other revenue streams?
for example how do you think it would go down if ford immobilised your car if you ever said anything bad about them?
or if you sold your car the second hand buyer has to pay a fee of ~30% of retail price to the manufacturer to drive it on the motorway?
Because this is considered acceptable in media.
That's not what i mean, linking to torrents or file sharing sites is much more limited than everyone easily being about to upload an image in a few seconds and post it, stuff would be upped as quick as it's taken down, increasing copyright infringement to incredible levels, sure though anyone can easily get hold of what they want, i just wonder what it will be like if it gets that trivial.
I've already explained it to you but you're ignoring it. I keep pointing out how they can both be considered "loss of revenue" and how absurd the claims of loss of revenue are. Don't tell me you can't understand that?
What?
Punitive charges will just make more criminals out of people, the law does not need to change on it.
Why shouldn't it be civil? Why should it be criminal? As I've said, it'll just serve to make more people criminals, it's totally idiotic to suggest that. Do you think profits of these companies would magically jump a massive amount if it was made criminal, or would you expect them to stay around the same, but more people just choose to go without their pirated content? It seems you're having an emotional reaction to copyright infringement.
They're not, they just focus on meaningful aspects of IP rights, as in people trying to profit from another company's IP, or distributing it without a license. If it's so damaging, why are these companies constantly making record earnings, and on top of that they also don't care about piracy when they're doing it themselves.
The thing is that all media is subjective, more so than any other revenue stream.
The companies that are whining are doing so because they believe they aren't making as much money as they should. End of.
where do you upload your images to radiation?
large imagehoasting sites just like most videos are uploaded to large video sharing sites.
but seriously it teaks only a few minutes to down load films, or you can watch them streaming which = instant.
large imagehoasting sites just like most videos are uploaded to large video sharing sites.
but seriously it teaks only a few minutes to down load films, or you can watch them streaming which = instant.