BT ordered to block pirate links

Newzbin Blog said:
Newzbin2 is currently evaluating methods to defeat Cleanfeed without the need to adopt radical technological changes (although we are looking at those too for the future). Blocking us is futile and the MPA have made Cleanfeed technology a target to be defeated by those determined to counter censorship technologies. How unfortunate if that allows perverts to prosper. Perhaps the MPA should have thought of the kids?
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The thing is they can not block aything completely. I would suspect Usenet and Newzbin users are pretty savvy with computers. They already have multiple ways to access newzbin including a Tor onion address.
 
There has been an anonymous TOR link set up for BT users of nzb2 along with a step by step tutorial on how to get it working for months. The ruling will have approximately zero effect on people who really want to get there hands on the music/films etc. If the block is going to be a simple DNS block then again it will have zero effect on accessing the site.

Piracy aside, the real issue here is the courts giving approval for big companies to dictate what joe public can see on the internet. A dangerous precedent has been set and it's a slippery slope into a 1984 style internet.
 
Elixir said:
But let's be realistic, the main reason you're annoyed is because you can't download your free music and videos, and it's not because of "freedom", it's because you don't want to pay for them.
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This is very true.

But this ruling won't actually stop it, it will just move it. I wonder if they will start blocking the news servers next.
 
VeNT said:
Hull can get Eclipse internet too.
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Never heard of it, guess its through some sort of addon to the line which costs a fortune though, just like every other ISP choice, which is why Kingston communication still aren't classed as having a monopoly here lol.
 
To note, just put my home phone number into eclipses website and it says that we can't get an eclipse internet connection. Tried my grandparents as well who also live in hull and it says the same thing, even though we both have broadband with kingston communications.
 
I see there are several posters who see downloading of content is a bad thing.

Studies have shown that downloading is a method of trialing before buying, and those that embrace the Internet benefit more from having their material freely available.

The entertainment industry needs to stop it's futile effort of trying to police the Internet, and instead increasing value for customers by embracing the Internet. They treat their customers as criminals, which is frankly despicable.

If you disagree, then head over to techdirt.com and read the many articles that link to studies and knowledgeable people that explain that what the entertainment industry is doing to protect their obsolete business models, is wrong.
 
j.col said:
LOL :D

How come they didn't try and ban pirate bay, surely more people use this than the usenet sites?
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They have, previously.

They after Newzbin in particular now because they successfully got it taken down and then it sprang back to life in next to no time as Newzbin 2 making a complete mockery of it all.

This is as much about ego as it is money.
 
What a complete fool, just one step down from the internet being free, only a matter of time before these judges block more sites, I still genuinely believe piracy helps the industry.
 
I don't really see the issue. A judge has ruled that a website that was specifically designed to catalogue illegal material should be blocked by an ISP. That's hardly an alarming precedent, unless you use said site (or similar sites) to download copyrighted material.

If the judge was ruling that a site that isn't designed specifically to catalogue illegal material, but can be used for such purposes (e.g. Google) should be blocked, then I would have issue. This isn't censorship of the WWW, it's merely the enforcement of existing law upon the Internet.
 
No ISP should be allowed to block any website, period. The 'internet' is open, free place for good or for bad. No-one or government should have the right to block parts of it.

Unless you live in China. :p
 
satchef1 said:
This isn't censorship of the WWW
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Well, it is censorship. It's pretty much a textbook example of censorship.

"Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body."

Yup, sounds like censorship to me :)
 
stockhausen said:
Yup, I can accept that.

You download Captain America: The First Avenger, watch it and find that you enjoyed it so much that you simply have to rush out to HMV to buy your own copy . . . yeah, right :rolleyes:
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You can choose to be as ignorant or bull headed as the majority of the dinosaurs in the entertainment industry, or you can open your eyes and accept that piracy is going to happen regardless, and that in many cases benefits the producers of the content.

Some examples: Piracy increases value of content and From A Weekend Musician, To Making $4.2 Million... By Giving Music Away Free

So yes, it is right. A person can trial a movie before buying, watch the pirated version before purchasing a copy to show support, or may even watch a movie several times. Hardly unheard of.
 
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stockhausen said:
Yup, I can accept that.

You download Captain America: The First Avenger, watch it and find that you enjoyed it so much that you simply have to rush out to HMV to buy your own copy . . . yeah, right :rolleyes:
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It does, to an extent. I have bought a lot of music off the back of downloading mashups. I've bought a number of 80s hip hop albums purely because of hearing samples from them appearing in albums by Girl Talk and E-603 and so on.

The trouble is that you have some people who appear to argue that all downloads lead to further sales, which is probably false, and you have some other people who will say that no downloads ever lead to lost sales, because downloaders would not have bought anything anyway, but would instead just had to live without it. The truth is somewhere in between, as for some people, some downloads will lead to more sales, while for some people, no downloads will ever lead to more sales, because why would they pay when they can get things for free? And of course, there will be some people who would buy things, but now don't, and those are genuine lost sales.

The difficulty comes in quantifying the gain versus the damage - just how many genuine lost sales are there compared to genuine gained sales? How many Beastie Boys albums am I buying in comparison to someone who is just downloading them because they can, even though they could afford to buy them and would, but for being able to get them for free?

Further, how can you use this new technology to generate more sales? How can the industry persuade people in that direction? I love iTunes, because it's great being able to whimsically download practically any song I please to my phone while I'm just walking down the street. Other people love having access to a subscription service that allows them to listen to anything they like for a monthly fee. Other people are perfectly happy to endure adverts if it means they get free streamed music. The industry needs to adapt to this sort of thing. I don't approve of copyright infringement, but I believe that it is utterly naive to think that you can legislate around a technical problem like this. They need to find a way to present a palatable alternative at a price point that a majority of people will accept.
 
One day the music/film/game/TV industry will realise all people want is for a small amount (say £10-£20) a month is access to download whatever medium( be it a film, a song, a TV program or a game) they want when they want and are free to do it with what they want. Christ people already pay £10+ to get access to Newsgroups, if a legit service offered this it would go a storm and the creator would be heralded as a hero.

Until they get this enlightened message they will continue to waste millions on DRM procedures and on treating the legitimate end user as criminal.
 
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