BT ordered to block pirate links

Westyfield2 · 28 Jul 2011 at 13:57

stockhausen said:
Yup, I can accept that.

You download Captain America: The First Avenger, watch it and find that you enjoyed it so much that you simply have to rush out to HMV to buy your own copy . . . yeah, right

I first watched the first of the Matrix trilogy from a dodgy torrent. Decided I liked it so bought the boxset.

It does happen.

antijoke · 28 Jul 2011 at 13:59

Killerkebab · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:02

Westyfield2 said:
I first watched the first of the Matrix trilogy from a dodgy torrent. Decided I liked it so bought the boxset.

It does happen.

You must have been gutted when you saw the other two films, having paid for those

antijoke · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:02

I didn't realise the boxset was available at the same time the first one leaked to torrent sites.

Deep · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:03

I find a lot of tv shows too expensive these days. Which is a shame

Older shows are cheaper obviously, but take Blue Bloods for example the DVD is £38! I've seen the 720p rips and I'd like the blu ray but I shudder to think how expensive it'd be.

In regards to music, I download music BUT if its good I will buy it. If not then I delete it.
I've been doing that for about 4-5 years now I used to just download whole albums for the sake of downloading.

Tefal · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:03

who said he saw it at release?

edscdk · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:08

BlackDragon said:
I see there are several posters who see downloading of content is a bad thing.

Studies have shown that downloading is a method of trialing before buying, and those that embrace the Internet benefit more from having their material freely available.

thats crud.

1) msot films are rubbish so no one is gonna pay for them once they see how rubbish they are.
2) if asked most people will lie and say they go on to buy the films

I dont know anyone who know about tpb that buys anything

personally I think they should BAN the BIG sites (numbering in the 10's) and as more pirate sites pop up simply add them to the banned list.

what I bet WILL happen is 1000's of sites start getting blocked for stupid reasons, like their logo looks a bit like x, or on some obscure forum someone linked to a banned site etc etc...

Glaucus · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:09

DAvE18 said:
Total farce they don't even understand how it doesn't even have a single piece of copyrighted material on it. Not one bit.

Congratulations Britain you have now joined the same ranks as china blocking websites for a companies gain. Anyone who cant see this as an attack on the very freedom of the internet and a very big slippery slope needs there eyes opened.

They understand fully that it holds no files.
It's also not a BT choice, it is the courts under uk law.
Not sure how some people will say where does it end. Newsbiz the original was closed by this law years ago. It requires a court judgment to force BT to block it.

It is not some voluntary or unregulated system used here.

Rainmaker · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:10

nonhelmet said:
Google already responds to DMCA takedown notices in the US.

Newzbin2 also has a policy of strictly adhering to DMCA notices. They haven't received any. At all. At least according to their blog. The MPA seem to think that since Newzbin1 was taken down that the order applies to Newzbin2; which shares nothing of the original team and site bar some code and a similar sounding name.

Vonhelmet · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:12

edscdk said:
I dont know anyone who know about tpb that buys anything

You do now. I download music from time to time and then buy it if I like it. I've already said I download mashups, which are in a hugely grey area of copyright status, and then bought albums as a result.

Delvis · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:14

It's just all a bit daft

Yes, pirating 'can' produce sales, but generally it doesn't...And this isn't purely from downloaded means...As in people will get copies off of other people, who have copied the disks etc...Or copied the download.

It's just going to go around in loops, until they finally release that they can't block all the torrent websites, they will have to block the internet (somehow) and charge you to access only certain sites.

Ahh, I thought technology made you move forward?

uknowist · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:14

Dont agree with blocking sites, shutting them down i can understand but an ISP blocking a site im not a fan of. Freedom of choice/no censorship and all that jazz..

Also I have also downloaded films and music illegally to then go out and buy them, not all of them but suprisingly quite a lot. Again yeah I know most people dont bla bla bla

Raikiri · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:18

stockhausen said:
Yup, I can accept that.

You download Captain America: The First Avenger, watch it and find that you enjoyed it so much that you simply have to rush out to HMV to buy your own copy . . . yeah, right

I'll often download a cam then go see it at the cinema, completely different experience and level of quality, something that can't be replicated at home.

Of course that's not true of everything, but I wouldn't have gone to those anyway so it's hardly lost revenue.

Bloomfield · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:22

remy87 said:
BE started to roll out 200mbit? LoL

Your post makes no sense

mattyfez · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:23

div0 · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:24

BlackDragon said:
You can choose to be as ignorant or bull headed as the majority of the dinosaurs in the entertainment industry, or you can open your eyes and accept that piracy is going to happen regardless, and that in many cases benefits the producers of the content.

Some examples: Piracy increases value of content and From A Weekend Musician, To Making $4.2 Million... By Giving Music Away Free

So yes, it is right. A person can trial a movie before buying, watch the pirated version before purchasing a copy to show support, or may even watch a movie several times. Hardly unheard of.

The problem is that even if you can prove that 'illegal' free copies of media, actually benefit that creator (which I think it's fair to say is not true in all [most] cases), surely it is the right of the person who created it to decide whether to make it freely available or not?

Whilst it would be nice for more people to adopt the 'try-before-you-buy' approach that the internet can offer - it's not our right as consumers to say 'you should have set your business model up in this way, so I'm just going to take it for free anyway'.

The Dread Pirate · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:33

Robosapien said:
Artists need money too, bro.

Tell that to the MPA and the Production companies it represents :mad:

Ahleckz · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:36

anticonscience said:
One day the music/film/game/TV industry will realise all people want is for a small amount (say £10-£20) a month is access to download whatever medium( be it a film, a song, a TV program or a game) they want when they want and are free to do it with what they want. Christ people already pay £10+ to get access to Newsgroups, if a legit service offered this it would go a storm and the creator would be heralded as a hero.

Until they get this enlightened message they will continue to waste millions on DRM procedures and on treating the legitimate end user as criminal.

I've never understood why people pay to get access to Newsgroups. Whilst I've never used one I can't possibly imagine what they offer that Torrents and such do not. It seems bonkers that if you're going to download copyright material then you'd pay someone (a Newsgroup) to get it when you can get it free, easily, elsewhere.

I disagree with the censorship on the internet. Go after the end user by all means, but to censor sights and let a judge who likely isn't knowledgeable in the area to decide on what is right or wrong on the internet is absurd.

Tefal · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:38

Ahleckz said:
I've never understood why people pay to get access to Newsgroups. Whilst I've never used one I can't possibly imagine what they offer that Torrents and such do not. It seems bonkers that if you're going to download copyright material then you'd pay someone (a Newsgroup) to get it when you can get it free, easily, elsewhere.

I disagree with the censorship on the internet. Go after the end user by all means, but to censor sights and let a judge who likely isn't knowledgeable in the area to decide on what is right or wrong on the internet is absurd.

one major benefit over torrents is ssl, there's no "swarm" for people to join to harvest your ip's and also you're only downloading not uploading so aren't put at the same legal risk.

antijoke · 28 Jul 2011 at 14:41

Ahleckz said:
I've never understood why people pay to get access to Newsgroups. Whilst I've never used one I can't possibly imagine what they offer that Torrents and such do not. It seems bonkers that if you're going to download copyright material then you'd pay someone (a Newsgroup) to get it when you can get it free, easily, elsewhere.

I disagree with the censorship on the internet. Go after the end user by all means, but to censor sights and let a judge who likely isn't knowledgeable in the area to decide on what is right or wrong on the internet is absurd.

Typically it's because of speed.

Newsgroups will max out my 50Mbps connection where as if I were to use Torrents it would take hours longer.

I swear if there was a legit service at the same cost of current NG access, it would clean up the majority of all this mess. All it takes is one pioneering company to go to the movie studios to trial it.