BT Sport to get CL and EL

I'm not sure the Premier League can do that with laws on showing 3pm Saturday kick-offs.

I really wish they'd give up on this. Its so frustrating being able to watch every game abroad, but at home we cant! I have no interest in going to watch Macc Town or Chester City lump the ball about...

They should allow 3pm kick-offs to be shown but ensure that a huge chunk of the licensing cash is made available to the lower leagues.
 
I really wish they'd give up on this. Its so frustrating being able to watch every game abroad, but at home we cant! I have no interest in going to watch Macc Town or Chester City lump the ball about...

They should allow 3pm kick-offs to be shown but ensure that a huge chunk of the licensing cash is made available to the lower leagues.

It's not just a PL thing but a UEFA thing as well.
 
I'm just going to pay for BT Sport with the money I save when Sky reduce their prices to compensate for the lost content ;)
 
Well what Spain does is just play most of the games not at 3pm on a Saturday, so, it's hardly difficult. As for what's best for them. They currently essentially sell for the viewers to watch 3-5 prem league games a week.... they could sell us 10 games a week.... 10 is more than 5 right, usually selling 10 games for uk viewers to watch live = way way way more revenue than selling less games.

Other leagues, most other sports, most other countries manage the "televise all games people might want to watch" thing and make huge cash off it. I have no idea why they make it such a big hassle here.
 
How would that work? They don't limited coverage in other countries. Pretty certain its just an FA/PL/FL thing.

EDIT: Not a perfect source, but doesnt mention UEFA here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_on_television

When El Classico was on in the early evening a couple of weeks ago Sky couldn't show the first fifteen minutes of the match because (they said) UEFA rules forbid any live football being on TV until at least 5:15pm on any 'regular' match day.
 
That's quite odd if it's a UEFA thing because you'd then expect it to apply to other UEFA members, but Sky de show all the Bundesliga games live, and they pretty much always overlap with the 3pm games in the UK.
 
Do what the NFL do, pay £140 a year and you can stream all games in HD with NFLgamepass or pay £90 for just your team, seriously the prem league need to do this!

No point comparing to the US - 70 Million homes recieve the NFL package, or 62% of all those with a tv in the US - with numbers like that anything becomes do-able. (wikipedia figures)

BT and Sky together are barely covering 1/7th of that combined.
 
No point comparing to the US - 70 Million homes recieve the NFL package, or 62% of all those with a tv in the US - with numbers like that anything becomes do-able. (wikipedia figures)

BT and Sky together are barely covering 1/7th of that combined.

The point is that if the NFL model was copied then the service wouldn't need to be fed through Sky/BT. You use the digital service ala freeview, or have it able to be streamed to a PC/laptop/Console etc.
 
The point is that if the NFL model was copied then the service wouldn't need to be fed through Sky/BT. You use the digital service ala freeview, or have it able to be streamed to a PC/laptop/Console etc.

The infrastructure isnt the same, the amount potential customers is far smaller (in the UK), and potential advertisers are also a lot smaller so it just isnt as viable as it is in the States

I dont know whether the US have TV bandwidth issues like the UK does (I doubt it somehow), but I cant see it happening over standard terriestrial tv band in the UK wilth even now how little bandwidth is available here (as we are talking HD transmissions)

The only viable way in the forseeable future would be internet streaming (which some how IS going to rely on BT at the very least) and the general infrastructure isnt going to be there for a long while. There is a very small percentage of bb consumers on fibre to have the capability to do this
 
What's the NFL model exactly? Don't you still pay for Fox CBS ESPN and NFL network and depending on where you live you get a certain game, I don't see how it's better or worse, just different and equally ****
 
To help him get it I'll create an equivalent scenario also using numbers plucked out of the air:

put it this way let's say sky buy the exclusive rights to X number of games for Z number of years for 200 million

then BT buy the exclusive rights to Y number of games for Z number of years for 80 million

total revenue = 280 million

now lets say they just price the full package for X and Y at 90 million for Z years.

now Virgin, Sky and BT all buy the above package for 90 million each = 270 million instead of 280 million with exclusivity deals.

they obviously wouldn#t price the package at a point where it means they earn less money.

they would have priced it at 100-120 million in that scenario so total revenue is 300-360 million.

exclusivity isn't helping consumers at all it's only helping football teams, players and broadcasting companies who can afford to buy the rights (which aren't many).

in my system it lowers the pricing so companies can afford it, offers more competition directly and benefits consumers.

obviously though we would need ofcom to come in and make these changes otherwise it's never going to happen.
 
I always thought the 3pm kick off, no live game was to in-courage people to go watch the match live or else we end up like Italy where stadiums are empty.

That's certainly the idea.

I know a lot of people think it's nonsense but I remember listening to Niall Quinn (when he was still involved at Sunderland) on the radio talking about how Sunderland had figures to show that their attendances were being effected by pubs showing their matches on foreign satellites. If Sunderland's attendances are being effected by a handful of pubs showing their matches, what would the effect be if Sky et al started broadcasting their matches every week?

If what Quinn said is true, it's not just the lower league clubs that might be effected by lifting the 3pm blackout but quite possibly every club other than the few biggest PL sides.
 
That's certainly the idea.

I know a lot of people think it's nonsense but I remember listening to Niall Quinn (when he was still involved at Sunderland) on the radio talking about how Sunderland had figures to show that their attendances were being effected by pubs showing their matches on foreign satellites. If Sunderland's attendances are being effected by a handful of pubs showing their matches, what would the effect be if Sky et al started broadcasting their matches every week?

If what Quinn said is true, it's not just the lower league clubs that might be effected by lifting the 3pm blackout but quite possibly every club other than the few biggest PL sides.

Lower ticketing pricing would help this though, match day revenue doesnt factor that highly into a clubs turnover these days (PL clubs for sure, not so certain on lower leaue clubs).
 
they obviously wouldn#t price the package at a point where it means they earn less money.

they would have priced it at 100-120 million in that scenario so total revenue is 300-360 million.

exclusivity isn't helping consumers at all it's only helping football teams, players and broadcasting companies who can afford to buy the rights (which aren't many).

in my system it lowers the pricing so companies can afford it, offers more competition directly and benefits consumers.

obviously though we would need ofcom to come in and make these changes otherwise it's never going to happen.

The point we're making is that exclusivity may be worth a lot more to the broadcaster than you realise. You can't just cherry pick imaginary numbers to 'prove' your case (I've done the same to illustrate this). In your example where they price it at £100-120 million, maybe Sky would offer £400m for exclusive rights, beating the £360m they could get from selling it separately. Your reply will naturally be "ah, but in that case they'd price it at £150m * 3 = £450m".... then I'll say Sky would pay £500m for that... and so we'll escalate indefinitely until one of us gets bored :)

You say they wouldn't price it to a point where they'd earn less money, but the problem is if they raise the cost of the non-exclusive package too high, to make it bring back enough revenue to compete with an exclusive package, the number of broadcasters willing to pay that much will drop off. Sky might be willing to pay say £400m exclusive, but would tell you to jog on at £200m non-exclusive.

Essentially what we are saying is that from Sky's perspective, it isn't just about having access to sport that is important, it is also about making sure they are the ONLY provider who gives access to that content, thus 'forcing' people who want access to subscribe to their services (which brings them additional revenue above and beyond the payment for the Sports service).

Moving back to the general debate about what is good for consumers, arguably the problem at the moment is there is a kind of hybrid situation whereby all matches are exclusive in the sense that they can only be viewed on a single provider, but the different packages of matches may be bought by a different provider. I think there are six(?) packages in total so theoretically, you could have a situation where to watch all the televised EPL matches you'd need access to 6 telecom providers! Thus we've seen the likes of Setanta, ESPN and BT 'stealing' some of the matches away from Sky subscribers. The situation is compounded by the fact that these 'niche' providers (BT less so) have typically only needed to buy a single package to ensure they get some subscribers, there was no way all 6 packages were going to bought by them and thus let people ditch Sky and move over lock stock and barrel.
 
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