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I also expect Button will stay at McLaren. He has no reason to leave the team and the team have no reason not to retain him. I would be very suprised if he went to Ferrari.
Button 'targeted by Ferrari'
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If anything I'd rather see Button at Red Bull and Lewis at Ferrari, should they both leave that is!
Would make sense, but as a fan of him, it would mean liking Ferrari
+1 (ten times over lol)
Ferrari need someone better than Massa, but cant see McLaren not taking up the 3rd year option they have on Button (I thought it was 3rd and 4th year option but maybe not), and not sure Button would want to move anyway
Exactly what nearly everyone was saying before the start of last season re Hamilton......but it hasnt happened yet!!!
In the last couple of days "I can still win the title" quotes have obviously just passed you by I guess
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13816367.stm
(and even before the win he is quoted as saying " I believe I can win multiple championships")
Not really anything like "Ive achieved all I want" lol
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Twice inside of 6 months, once on the bbc and once recently in an interview Button has said he doesn't mind if he doesn't win a title again because he will always be a world champion.
It's like he already accepts he won't win another. He seems happy enough to challange for wins but I don't think he has it in him to commit to a full year title battle again.
Alonso would bum him, both mentally and in the car. He's remorseless even in weekends when the car isn't working well, even when his team mate is on the up he finds a tenth. Button isn't capable of that even if he ever was.
The balance is off, the rears were fading, no front grip etc etc. When the cars perfect for Jenson he flies but that only happens 3 or 4 races in a season usually. Hamilton too just gets on with it.
Hamilton this year has looked even further away from Button than last year. If he's behind Button he's usually catching him, there's not many times in the last 2 years it's been the other way around.
Alonso and Hamilton are on a whole new level to Button and Vettel. A lovely guy and I've followed him for years even before Brawn when there were very few people on here banging his drum but I accept there will only be a few races per year he beats Hamilton, when everything falls into place.
I think they compliment each other well but that's only because Hamilton knows in his own head 9 times out of 10 he will have him beat. Thats why there have been no fireworks between the pair of them.
I can't see why people want Kobayashi at Ferrari. Making him a number two to Alonso would either massively stifle him, or get Alonso's back up when he dares to try and pass him.
He'd be miles better off at, say, Mercedes, where I think Rosberg would genuinely welcome a fast, competitive teammate (sorry arknor), or even Red Bull, should Webber go.
He'd be miles better off at, say, Mercedes, where I think Rosberg would genuinely welcome a fast, competitive teammate (sorry arknor), or even Red Bull, should Webber go.
As there are so many top drivers, there are no decent seats. It would be better for kobyashi IMO to be in a title contending car even if it is a number two. To gain experience and show his worth. It can't do him any harm, than floundering around in a midfield car. Keep the contracts short and when a better spot comes up and he's showed what's he's made of jump ship.
But the problem is it's going to be years before there are any decent seats avilable. Number two at Ferrari is the only choice.
Can you see Alonso,button, Lewis, vettle going. Anywhere in the next 4 years. A very slim chance of a swap, but that won't open up a seat.
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lmao. of course he'll stay at mclaren. Anyone can see he loves it there, he's got arguably the best race day car on the grid, great people around him, British team. Why on Earth would he give that up to drive a lacklustre ferrari car. Rumourlulz.
I dont think Kobi is all that tbh. Perez has the better of him in qualifying this year. I don't think he's anything like fast enough over qualifying to challenge another top line driver.
He comes alive in races when tyre wear goes up but over a single lap he's average. That would kill his chances in a top flight team alongside Alonso or Hamilton etc.
I find him entertaining but I don't think he's fast enough.
He comes alive in races when tyre wear goes up but over a single lap he's average. That would kill his chances in a top flight team alongside Alonso or Hamilton etc.
I find him entertaining but I don't think he's fast enough.
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To be fair to Kobayashi this year he is proving, despite his reknown as a risk taker, to also be pretty damn reliable. He's finished in the points every race so far, he does seem to be learning a lot and is still young.
Although he's not the fastest over 1 lap, i'm not sure that would be the most important aspect when looking for a number 2.
Although he's not the fastest over 1 lap, i'm not sure that would be the most important aspect when looking for a number 2.
I disagree because if that was the case Ferrari would keep massa forever. I think Ferrari don't mind that thinking when they have the fastest car by 0.5s. When they are trailing they need another driver to get in the mix at the start.
You can only really run a no1 driver and not worry about no2 so much when the car is the class of the field.
Sadly there are not enough good teams to go round, Kubica will never get a decent car now, neither it seems will Rosberg who it's rumoured is trying to get a mclaren seat. The only seat I can see coming in a top 4 team is Schumachers if he does leave.
The other top 6 seats I can't see changing at all. In the unlikely event Webber retires and Hamilton goes to Red Bull I would like them to go after Di Resta rather than Kubica, Rosberg or Kobi.
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No i don't think there will be too much movement at the top either.
I would love to see Rosberg, Di Resta or Kobayashi get a chance in a bigger team to be able to see what they can do when fighting for wins, i guess that would be the only way to know for sure jsut how good they are/could be.
I hope Kubica can make it back racing, he seemed to be the up and comer before his accident. Sadly even if he does race again who knows if he could still be at that level
I would love to see Rosberg, Di Resta or Kobayashi get a chance in a bigger team to be able to see what they can do when fighting for wins, i guess that would be the only way to know for sure jsut how good they are/could be.
I hope Kubica can make it back racing, he seemed to be the up and comer before his accident. Sadly even if he does race again who knows if he could still be at that level
I think the Massa bashing is a little harsh tbh, yes last year post head injury he was noticeably slower than Alonso. But then again most people think Alonso to be the most complete driver on the grid.
Think most people forget Massa was 1 corner away from winning the WDC in 2008. Also he has been on resurgent form of late, strong performances in both Monaco and Montreal pushing Alonso very close. He seemed to struggle with the lack of rear grip the Ferrari had, but with the recent upgrade he has found that extra confidence/pace again.
Think most people forget Massa was 1 corner away from winning the WDC in 2008. Also he has been on resurgent form of late, strong performances in both Monaco and Montreal pushing Alonso very close. He seemed to struggle with the lack of rear grip the Ferrari had, but with the recent upgrade he has found that extra confidence/pace again.
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Di Resta looks like a shoe in for the Merc.
As to JB, he won't move. He's got a nice thing going there at McLaren and he's right to push for more money. He's not going to be a star driver now, but out of all the drivers you can rely on him to consistently pull in good points. Every team would love to have him for the WCC. On top of that, he's proved his point and is just happy being fast - a driver like Rosberg or Kubica (if he recovers) still have too much to prove.
Plus JB paid for a PS3 and a nice holiday for me a couple of years back, so he can't do any wrong
As to JB, he won't move. He's got a nice thing going there at McLaren and he's right to push for more money. He's not going to be a star driver now, but out of all the drivers you can rely on him to consistently pull in good points. Every team would love to have him for the WCC. On top of that, he's proved his point and is just happy being fast - a driver like Rosberg or Kubica (if he recovers) still have too much to prove.
Plus JB paid for a PS3 and a nice holiday for me a couple of years back, so he can't do any wrong
This would throw up some interesting questions for my support.
I've always followed the british teams and drivers, so have supported Button since his Williams days.
I also have a hatred for the cheating racist spanish pig boy Alonso, and the "bigger than F1" Ferrari.
So on first looks, a move of Button to Ferrari would be bad for me. However, they joy I would feel in seeing Button go to Ferrari and then beat Alonso would be immense! And I think he could do it to, as unlike most people, I haven't bought into the "Alonso is the best driver on the grid" flock of sheep.
I've always followed the british teams and drivers, so have supported Button since his Williams days.
I also have a hatred for the cheating racist spanish pig boy Alonso, and the "bigger than F1" Ferrari.
So on first looks, a move of Button to Ferrari would be bad for me. However, they joy I would feel in seeing Button go to Ferrari and then beat Alonso would be immense! And I think he could do it to, as unlike most people, I haven't bought into the "Alonso is the best driver on the grid" flock of sheep.
LH still didnt "burn" JB last season, and so far isnt burning him this season, so you are basing all this on what you think rather than any actual proof (over a season)
As stated, just before he joined McLaren it was thought that the above might happen and yet it hasnt and yet you are still guessing the same would happen with Ferrari / Alonso (the only reasin it would happen with the Italians is because they seem to favour one driver over and above most other teams to the detriment of the other)
Even Massa was thoroughly beating Alonso in Canada for a lot of the race before Alonso put himself out of the race, and not forgetting Sepang and Shanghai this season also (one of which Massa beat Alonso by nearly 30s) - give excuses all you like but its only because of Monaco and Spain Results that the table looks so much in favour of Alonso right now. Anything but unbeatable this season by the looks of things (and Massa really hasnt been that great since the horrendous accident in 2009)
*mumbled angry reply in Italian*
"Sorry Fernando, I don't think being faster than you is an offence punishable by a drive through?"
*more mumbled angry Italian*
"ok, we will tell Button his engine is to hot and to slow down. Don't worry, your 7th place is safe"
It's pretty obvious over just about most races especially in the dry Hamilton is faster than Button. He makes a few more mistakes but he's going harder at it.
Even in the last race Hamilton was faster in the wet than Button, sadly though he was too impatient.
Every thing has to be just right for Button to out qualify Lewis, you expect him to be behind him. On the track as I said you rarely see JB hunting lewis down on pace, passing him and staying there, either in the pits or on the track.
I think it's clear to just about everyone now that although he did a good job and hasn't embarrased himself like some predicted he's clearly not going to beat Lewis to a title in equal machinery without lewis having more mechanical failures or accidents.
Lewis knows this which is why they seem to get on.