It’s a cpu benchmark .....
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Buy 8700K Now Or Wait ?
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It’s a cpu benchmark .....
I see the video as useful for determining clock for clock performance on the games, but I still dont like that youtube uploader the way he is uploading these videos and trying to give the impression its a fair comparison, as the video doesnt state at all its a clock for clock comparison, just a cpu comparison.
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I understand that, but it's as pointless as testing two cars driving at 5mph.
Enjoy what you have now, You can always wait for Zen 2 next year and drop that in your mobo, Nice big upgrade that way
Problem is my current motherboard is a dog's egg. Overvolts at stock and gets outright dangerous with any hint of an overclock; max memory speed actually got worse with the latest bios and is now 2933 down from 3066; m.2 stuffed behind the GPU and throttling during gaming because of the heat.
The least I want to do is swap out this PoS board. I want X470 or B450 for the improved memory support, but the former has zero mATX options and the latter is an unknown amount of time away.
Ryzen itself has been fine... even at stock with gimped memory, it's single-thread beats my old [email protected] (slightly) and threaded performance is much, much better... but it's being let down by an ecosystem that just isn't catering to premium mATX. And I have no evidence that anything will be different with this generation.
Meanwhile the Z370 platform is mature, full of mATX options, an 8700k will deliver more performance at stock, and all without making me fight it to get my ram going at its rated speeds. I can get behind Ryzen for 8-core full ATX systems, but I have nothing that requires that and I don't expect that to change, tbh. I don't pick up new games often, I just want the ones I have to run at their best
If they announce something that's 6 months away, tbh I don't want to wait for it... If there was a surprise launch of some nice Z390 boards I might have one, but I don't want to wait for autumn.
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Yes, fair point there. For my situation, if they announce something decent then I'm happy to wait the six months else I'll probably toss a coin between 2700x and 8700k.
The Spectre stuff concerns me more than gaming performance so hopefully that gets addressed in the next release.
you guys just caught them out.
200+ in their intel review, but now they working for AMD, so the picture changes, and as you said suddenly the score is a few hundred points lower, shows all thats wrong with the review industry right now.
You'd rather they test a cpu in a gpu limited scenario? :thinking:
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None of the CPU's are utilised 100%
I'd definitely want to know a bit more about the reports of 2700X's not being stable at stock before committing to one. If they'd come out looking flawless and as-advertised then I'd say they're a bit of a no-brainer to get, but I'm concerned that there's a silicon lottery here. Still, I suppose that will be proven one way or the other by Computex.
Though again, failure to launch even one X470 mATX board does not make me confident about the future of my preferred format with AMD. I'd wondered if the lack of X370 was because none of them were 'quite right' with things like fast memory support, but it appears that's not the reason.
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Yes, it's a bit strange because ITX options are available. I'm doing an ITX build so it's not affecting me personaly, but the stability issues at stock are definitely a concern especially on the smallest form factor.
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Well here it be, 5GHz game and bench stable at 1.29v on an Asus ROG Maximus X Formula
Well here it be, 5GHz game and bench stable at 1.29v on an Asus ROG Maximus X Formula
Charging primary weapon...
Is that delidded, or did you win the lottery?
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Charging primary weapon...
Is that delidded, or did you win the lottery?
Lotto win
Friend of mine REALLY won the lottery, He got 1 stable at 5.1GHz with 1.27v, Lucky git.
Lotto win
Friend of mine REALLY won the lottery, He got 1 stable at 5.1GHz with 1.27v, Lucky git.
Oof, that is lucky... unless Intel have been quietly trying to refine their paste application process and they're coming out a little better in recent batches.
I'll probably get a ticket soon, but I fully expect to lose and get a 4.7
Which is still an upgrade :/I can't see why there'd be an engineering reason behind it. Sounds more like demand for the format is/was low due to the APU's launching late.
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There are X370 mATX motherboards.
There are two that I know of... one is by Biostar and the internet suggests avoiding it due to shoddy bios. The Gigabyte option has the same layout as their B350, and it stuffs the m.2 behind the GPU where it gets super hot
Not really enough to make me feel like X470 will have a better selection, given that there are zero at this present time.
I think most people expected APUs to be paired with B350. I wanted X3-470 for the better overclocking and better support for high speed memory. I'd consider a well-laid-out B450 but, those don't exist yet :/
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Every time I looked at upgrading to Ryzen the poor mATX boards put me off too. I want a decent board from the Asus TUF range and thus far haven't seen one.