Cambridge Analytica

have you listened to the c4 journalism , where Nix is supposedly suggesting entrapment https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ?t=902
it's sounds as though they are just playing the Indian (client) guy, he is making ridiculous comments about attractive girls and Nix then replies in like ,
and equally Nix's colleague jokes about having many disguises.
... Just further puts the standard of C4 journalism in the box for me.

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they are just after titillating an audience like the Sun ]

... the real issues is facebook allowing app writers to get the data ... but Cambridge Analytica will be the fall guy here.
 
dowie said:
I think those two guys were big timing it a bit in their pitch... they're just a data analytics firm AFAIK, they can contract out to other firms who handle the rather more salacious examples the press is now going crazy over - I'd suspect that sort of thing is actually a lot less useful than say targeting voters on Facebook unless they hit the jackpot and find some real dirt that completely demolishes a candidate (or so they think at the time) - even then they could end up with egg on their faces like Christopher Steele/Orbis.
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Not sure how Steele or Orbis have got egg all over their face outside of Alt-right areas of the internet?

I’d bet Orbis has had a big win in contracts with all their exposure in recent months.

RaohNS said:
The data collection and influencing has been well known for many moons indeed. Alternative media gives more information and usually sooner. Somewhere broke this CA story this afternoon according to a blog I've just clicked on from one of the #CambridgeAnalyticaUncovered.
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The Guardian and NYT broke the story on Sunday, that who you mean?

I wonder if they were working with a channel 4 or there was a bit of competition to see who could release their exposee first. Apparently the Guardian and NYT have been working with the guy that pretty much set up CA for about a year.

A very interesting story unfolding and also interesting to see how far this all runs. It’s been contentious for months but there’s a lot more apparent evidence Now.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...ceook-nix-bannon-trump?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 
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Amp34 said:
Not sure how Steele or Orbis have got egg all over their face outside of Alt-right areas of the internet?
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What had the alt right got to do with anything being discussed here?

As for the comment about that firm/person, they produced a few rather bold and quite dubious claims re: a person we can't discuss in here, you can look it up yourself if you want though but otherwise we're getting into an area of discussion mods have already specifically said this thread shouldn't contain.
 
dowie said:
What had the alt right got to do with anything being discussed here?

As for the comment about that firm/person, they produced a few rather bold and quite dubious claims re: a person we can't discuss in here, you can look it up yourself if you want though but otherwise we're getting into an area of discussion mods have already specifically said this thread shouldn't contain.
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Because outside of those sort of publications there’s very little issue with the Steele dossier. It’s being used in federal investigations for a start and it was never meant to be a list of only “facts”, rather a collection of accusations, rumours and information collected from various sources with varying levels of evidence, veracity and reliability.

Unfortunately many have either intentionally or unintentionally misunderstood what it was and is, and that has been used quite significantly by certain organizations, groups and people to try an discredit the entire report. Hence the comment about alt right, because it’s usually the “alternative” sources that have done so.

I suggest you do some more research on the subject.
 
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Amp34 said:
Because outside of those sort of publications there’s very little issue with the Steele dossier. It’s being used in federal investigations for a start and it was never meant to be a list of only “facts”, rather a collection of accusations, rumours and information collected from various sources with varying levels of evidence, veracity and reliability.

Unfortunately either people have intentionally or unintentionally misunderstood what it was and is, and that has been used quite significantly by certain organizations, groups and people to try an discredit the entire report.

I suggest you do some more reason on the subject.
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I suggest you do if you think there was noting wrong with it, especially if you're oblivious that there are some rather bold and likely false claims... hint you don't need to read "alt right" sources to figure that out either. Regardless it is potentially rather off topic.
 
dowie said:
I suggest you do if you think there was noting wrong with it, especially if you're oblivious that there are some rather bold and likely false claims... hint you don't need to read "alt right" sources to figure that out either. Regardless it is potentially rather off topic.
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Did you actually read what I wrote?

The dossier was a list of claims, of varying veracity. It was handed to federal investigators who are currently looking into many of those claims to confirm or deny their veracity.

It’s a book of leads, with some evidence thrown in, not a verified dossier for the prosecution.

There were many bold (outlandish?) claims, claims that may well be false, but the point of the dossier was to put together all these claims, provide some commentary on their veracity and then hand that to others to do what they saw fit. A trail that led to it being given to the FBI and subsequently (months later) the media.

Your apparent failure to understand that is why I suggested you should be the one to do a bit more research on the subject.
 
"Of varying veracity" lol, you could say that... I didn't take you to be that credulous but if you really insist and want to carry on with this off topic discussion then perhaps post in the relevant thread in SC. I'd be interested in hearing how some of the allegations (you know what I'm referring to) weren't rather blatant cases of sources just saying what they throught the company wanted to hear in return for yet more payments...
 
dowie said:
"Of varying veracity" lol, you could say that... I didn't take you to be that credulous but if you really insist and want to carry on with this off topic discussion then perhaps post in the relevant thread in SC. I'd be interested in hearing how some of the allegations (you know what I'm referring to) weren't rather blatant cases of sources just saying what they throught the company wanted to hear in return for yet more payments...
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We can if you want, but I’ll just say the same thing because that was the aim of the dossier. There’s no stretching credulity from me, that’s what’s been reported quite widely by multiple news sources.
 
Zzz wrong thread

why keep posting in here quoting me when you know the topic can't be discussed as per the mod note? If you want to insist on continuing then post in the SC thread.
 
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Why is anyone surprised at the Cambridge Analytica story and why is there any pretence that many people care much? We've had a couple of decades of conditioning that privacy is an innately bad thing and that gathering as much data as possible on as many people as possible is a good thing, whether it's done for money or power. Anyone over 40 should be well aware of how extreme that change has been. It seems bizarrely hypocritical for anyone in any position of power to complain about the inevitable results of something they either didn't complain about or actively promoted.

I noticed today that a scapegoat has been sacrified (Alexander Nix). No doubt the story will disappear in a week or less and this sort of thing will continue to increase. There's too much money and power involved for it not to.
 
Data mining is normal business and personal EPSIS data is constantly being monetised through any means possible by greedy people and organisations who have absolutely no "real" concern for people's privacy. Every time I see a "privacy policy" I laugh out loud, they should be renamed "privacy erosion mandate" or something.

The world is being shaped (destroyed) by data collection and the subsequent exploitation of collected data and capitalisation by any means possible. Just look at what is happening with Microsoft their entire business model has changed and more data is being collected and more money is being made from the data than all the viruses in the history of computers put together, so much so that they have been forcing people to Windows 10 for "free", but people think that "free" means that there is no price to pay.

It's the same thing with the iPlayer recently. Not only do you need to register with TV licencing to receive any broadcast, you are now forced to sign in with your DOB and Gender just to watch iPlayer so they can push more "personalised" stuff, The option of not having "personalised" material simply doesn't exist anymore!

Same thing with anything really. Install the most simplest of apps on your phone and it needs access to absolutely everything that could possibly be "private" your camera, mic, contacts, recent calls, precise location, you name it.

The problem is who is to blame for this situation? The people who sell your data, or us, the people who cannot control ourselves when faced with a stupid game or a silly ANTI-social app, and give away all our data for "free".



For example I wanted to install Shazam the other day and it wanted to harvest all of the following data just so I could have the name of one music track LOL :D:

Identity
find accounts on the device
find accounts on the device
Contacts
find accounts on the device
find accounts on the device
Location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
read phone status and identity
Photos/Media/Files
read the contents of your USB storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
read the contents of your USB storage
read the contents of your USB storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
take pictures and videos
Microphone
record audio
Wi-Fi connection information
view Wi-Fi connections
Device ID & call information
read phone status and identity
Other
download files without notification
receive data from Internet
view network connections
create accounts and set passwords
pair with Bluetooth devices
access Bluetooth settings
send sticky broadcast
full network access
change your audio settings
control Near Field Communication
read sync settings
draw over other apps
control vibration
prevent device from sleeping
toggle sync on and off
read Google service configuration


This has got to be a joke, but nay, this app has 3.2 MILLION downloads. Is it really hard to say no?

Unfortunately the poor public is constantly bombarded with propaganda in the form of "privacy policies" which psychologically manipulates people into thinking their data is safe and will be used responsibly.
 
The main controversies with this are to do with lies/mistruths provided to parliamentary officials, the fact they’re essentially an “intelligence service” for hire and certain things to do with the US election, foreign funding/influence and the hiring of foreign nationals to work on US elections, which break a myriad of rules.

The actual collection of data and analysis is less of an issue. As pointed out already data mining is now used quite a lot by many parties, although presumably they adhere to data protection rules.
 
I've no idea why people need to see a scandal like CA in order to wake up to what Facebook really is. It's obvious what the company is all about, and CA is the tip of the iceberg.

There's no need to get hyperbolic about the world being destroyed; these companies appear to be very powerful but in actual fact it's you that has the power to refuse to participate, which in turn renders them useless.
 
This Cambridge Analytica scandal is pretty big:

Cambridge Analytica executives told undercover reporters they secured Donald Trump's presidential election victory and manipulated millions of voters with their "Defeat Crooked Hillary" campaign. New footage released by Britain's Channel 4 shows chief executive Alexander Nix, who was suspended by the data mining company earlier this week, saying he had met Mr Trump "many times".

...Cambridge Analytica is alleged to have tapped the Facebook profiles of more than 50 million users without their permission and used the data to help Mr Trump get elected.
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(Source).

That certainly explains a lot about Trump's victory. Imagine if this was Hillary's campaign. We'd never hear the end of it from Breitbart. Instead, good old Breitbart is bashing Facebook for handing over its data to CA, while maintaining a blackout on the details about the assistance to Trump's campaign.
 
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