Can a vegan diet make me strong. Let's find out.

Nate Silvers said:
Captain Planet - We set aside most of our grains for animals (which we have produced to many of because of cheap meat) which could be used to feed hungry people. Billions of marine animals, we have fish farms. Instead of using those crops for six billion people.
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I'm not having this debate with you as you are completely wrong and clouded. My bet is some hemp smelling stinking hippy activist has given you the statement "OMG MAN X% of the worlds grain is set aside to feed animals!! So by eating animals you are starving the world!!" and you have bought right into that train of thought. When actually it is far from that simple. You are an impressionable child, nothing more.

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Tummy -:) That's cool, I really hate preaching but my intention is just to raise more awareness.
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Through a gym training log.... :confused: erm derp?

I think people are already "aware" of your phase that you're going through. I don't think anyone really cares much though. I mean I even considered vegetarianism when I was 14. It lasted one month, until I smelled bacon sandwiches from my mums kitchen.

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So i await the videos and my serving of humble pie.
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Hold the cream, yeah?
 
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Nate Silvers said:
Ultra_Extreme - Bring it on. Okay that's 174kg squat and dead and 192lb bench. As it stands, that's going to go up as I think I'll be at 200lb pretty soon. Body weight bench seems pretty realistic to me that's 90-100kg I'm at 70kg now, I think I can do it.
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Really. At 70kg? I know some big fellas who struggle at those weights and 200kg bench is way above my personal best at 85kg.

I think you'd get some more serious responses from everyone if you were a little more honest with yourself and with everyone.
 
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The Chemist

Thanks for the input and the information about calcium. If dairy and animal protein leading to osteoporosis is incorrect. If people are getting enough calcium from dairy and meat then how come there's osteoporosis at all? If the ph and acidity levels do not occur physiologically then calcium isn't getting peed out and there is no calcium problem? The dairy industry said themselves the main reason they exist, is so you can get calcium.

If people are getting enough calcium from dairy and meat then how come there's osteoporosis at all? In the UK and USA the meat eating society, the egg eaters the cheese eaters. People tell me they get everything they need from meat and dairy. Then why in every city is there a shop selling calcium supplements? I thought everybody was getting calcium from the animal products. That's what the meat and dairy people say?
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Hey Nate... Think this thread has gone off one a HUGE tangent but I'll try and answer your questions. I'm not here to belittle anyones dietary habits, belief or culture - just trying to pass on some knowledge.

As I said earlier, the human body has a diverse range of mechanisms to deal with maintaining a very strict blood pH. Had eating dietary (and vegetal) protein lead to sever metabolic acidosis, then evolution would have caught up and had us killed all ready. The studies which suggested the link between a high protein diet and bone "dissolving" (what is termed as the acid ash theory) is over 80 years old. Recent meta-analysis (looking at all the evidence availaible, not just a paper here and there), within the last 20 years have shown that a high animal protein intake does not affect bone mass density. In fact, dietary protein is required to aid in the absorption of calcium from the gut. The rise in the calcium in the urine, is a net effect of input, rather than "loss" from bone crystals. Protein also forms the mesh within bone, forming around 50% of bone volume and 1/3 of bone mass (and so we need it to form healthy, good bones).

I'm not saying we all need degrees in medicine etc, but it is important to have a good understanding of physiology and how to read scientific papers (so we can critique them) so that the inferences and conclusions we and the authors have drawn are correct. Osteoporosis, is not just linked to calcium. Our bones are maintained like precise clockwork involving many different systems (blood calcium, kidneys, certain hormones etc) which would require a discussion in immunology and endocrinology which lets face it is above and beyond the scope of this thread and forum. A malfunction in any one of these systems (as we see in old age) can lead to osteoporosis. Also, we live in the northern hemisphere right? Weather is pretty lousy round here :)

I also see that another can of worms regarding cardiovascular disease, and diabetes have been opened :o
 
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Nate Silvers said:
I accept murder is only equated to humans, by society. At one point in time slavery was made okay by society too.

It's not okay to discriminate about certain species, I believe in the opposite. Discrimination is one group saying and thinking that they're more special than everyone else, and they proceed to exploit them, oppress them, denying them their right to be free. That's where the line is drawn.

Besides I don’t want people to be concerned about bacteria and insects attacking them before thinking about mass animal abuse.

Another thing that I'm curious about. People questioning animal intelligence. Well what about babies, they are stupid and helpless too, but only a complete psycho would agree that babies should be enslaved, murdered, or set on fire.
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This is like trying to have an intelligent discussion with a 14 year old girl. You bring up points, and then when questioned on them you seem to get confused and start to talk about something different. I suppose this isn't entirely surprising when your original points were entirely vacuous. For example...

"Well what about babies?"

Really? Well, for starters babies are people and very quickly start demonstrating early stages of the cognition of fully matured humans. Then we have the issue that killing babies would be murder...

This has actually become very boring.

There are ways in which you could have made this an interesting discussion. As it stands, you have not "increased awareness" (lol), and have only succeeded in painting a confused and irrational picture of your "cause". Well done.

As for your lifting, it's entirely possible that you will make some strength progress. This will not be remarkable.
 
Nate, what are you actually saying? i tell you what, why dont you just eat what ever you want, and do some actual lifting? You'll make gains, just look at Daniel Bryan in WWE hes Vegan. The worlds toughest. Come back and ask for some advice when you actually decide you need some, not when you want to preach what you dont practice.
 
Today's workout.

Got a video from last week squatting 72.5kg. Gotta sort the but winking out and the hip drive. Not happy with the rows and I noticed I need to keep my head neutral. My friend dumped the weight, this was the last set of 5 reps. The last squats @ 140kg was just trying the weight out, that's why he didn't go below parallel.

Tried 100kg squats to try and find my max, managed to get 5 reps out.

The best thing about my gym is nobody does squats so the racks always free. Not today. Two guys on rack that was doing every stretch under the sun. We asked them how long they are going to be, 30 minutes. Wouldn't let us jump in. They then proceeded to talk around the bar. Why couldn't they just deadlift outside the rack.

Squat - 75kg
OHP - 67.5kg
Deads - 107.5kg x5 and 140kg x 2

Wish we had the camera today. Had a little competition on deads and we both managed to get to 140kg, my old personal best was 110kg so this stronglift program is working really well.

 
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Looks like you're high bar squatting but with the bar in low bar position. Feet can point more forwards, knees need to go out hard instead of going forwards lots like they are in the video :edit (at least it looks like they are, can't tell properly because of the diagonal angle). If butt tuck happens beyond a certain depth, don't beyond that depth until you've sorted yourself out, all you're doing is ingraining a bad movement pattern and stressing your lumbar spine which will eventually make you go snap.

The rows... you trying to copy Stoovis' banana back form?
 
Skillmister - He was in the original log and he's not on here. My friends here right now, we are waiting to get ripped to bits :D

Zefan - Ah yeah I see what you mean, looks like I need to drop hips first and move my knees out. How do I fix the butt tuck thing?

lol yeah rounded back? Who's Stoovis?
 
I don't even know where to start with that video.

Not one of those clips shows anything being done even close to correctly or safely. The most correct were your squats, and they were still bad, but at least you were going deep enough.

Your BORs are terrible. You seem to have no concept of what neutral spine is.

Your mate is a total joke. Fails a 5th rep at 110kg when he still isn't going to parallel, and then does some absolutely pathetic reps at 140. His BORs are bad too.
 
Why was my squats bad and can you explain more about the safety? Okay anyways to keep my spine neutral? How was my friends squats apart from not being below parallel as that was last weeks squatting but I think he's hitting below parallel now.

My friend said how can you judge someone as a total joke when you don't even know them, cause he doesn't' know you can he called you a ******* ****. It would be nice to hear some decent pointers, not total narcissism. The 110kg was the 5th set last rep.
 
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Go to the form thread and watch the instructional videos on how to lift. There is very sound advice in there. The 140kg squats your mate did were not squats, they were partial leg contractions. All of the actual work of a squat was still to come so he has not even started to squat, and if he thinks that's a squat then he's being an ass.

Firstly your squats. There is lots of moment in your lumbar region, highlighting a lack of core control and possibly strength. Secondly those boots, just no. They don't appear to be tied up so will be providing no support. I would advise you squat barefoot, have good contact with the ground.
These 75kg squats of yours are a start point to improve, but they only support all our previous comments to you that you cannot and have not squatted 140kg for 10 reps, I now can judge for a fact you couldn't even do 1 rep at 140. You and your mate need to leave your ego's at the door when it comes to amount of weight lifted because you at at much higher risk of injury trying to shift higher weights when your not even stable yet at lower.

Thank you for posting the video. Listen to the advice you will get and stop making things so deeply personal and you may just make some reasonable progress.
 
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