Can a vegan diet make me strong. Let's find out.

I assure you I'm not trolling, I wouldn't waste my time trolling I'm trying to show you what's killing people. What's the number one killer of humans who choose to eat meat, cheese, milk and egg?

Heart disease from clogged arteries, atherosclerosis.
 
Today's workout

Squat - 75kg (Good lifts, still enjoying the low weight) Need to work on my butt winking.
Bench - 70kg (Personal record for me, had room for more too, pushing with power lifting elbow position really helps.)
Penlay Rows - 65kg (Seemed alright)
 
MoNkeE - I'm just reporting what I see around me. More like a heart broken story, it's easy to talk like that when you're not the victim, you didn't have to go through anything that cow has.

Skillmister - Ridiculous? What's ridiculous about not eating blood, flesh, veins, muscles and tendons. The cut up corpse of a dismembered body. I'm not preaching, I'm giving awareness on a topic you might not think about otherwise. How often do you talk about these things to your meat eating friends?

Ultra_Extreme - Now that is obvious trolling on your part but I'll bite. Yeah big man aren't you. Go get a job working the slaughter houses so you can beat up the cows, kick and punch them so they can suffer for you taste. How can you even joke about it? Do you feel nothing? Stay radically cruel then make sure they never experience one drop of human kindness from you. They have never harmed you, violated you or taken advantage of you in any shape of form, the least you can do is return the favor.
 
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Okay I understand, but do you care about animal cruelty, speciesism, discrimination (which is evil on it's foundation is it not?)

Well you know what it's easy for you and your friend to say you don't give a ****. You're not the victim. Then it's pretty easy to rationalize and excuse cruelty, inequality, injustice, slavery, and even murder. But when you are the victim, things look a lot differently.
 
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icecold - Yep studies are manipulated but you can't deny what you see around you. As for anthropomorphised feelings. It's that Descartes Cartesian way of looking at animals, like they're machines... it's outdated. Animals are not inanimate, stupid objects, who can't think and feel. Is slavery - owner, victim, profit, domination - exclusive to the human race? Is the earth not enslaved too, it's oceans, forests and the earth itself become victims?

wedgie - Slaughtering billions of animals every year is not nature, that's not what is suppose to happen. We are completely abusing our position in the food chain. I'm against the meat and dairy industry not you. Also we are not animals nor caveman or women anymore we need to stop acting like neanderthals. No it doesn't bother me that animals kill animals, it bothers me that we are abusing them, raping them, enslaving them. It bothers me that people don't think animals go through the same things, emotions that we go through.

icecold - Yes murder. Other than psychological and physical abuse, torture, dismemberment and murder, what else do you think happens to animals inside of a slaughterhouse?

Okay so go outside and kill a squirrel, with your barehands no tools. I want to see you use your carnivore feet and catch it, pounce on him and catch him in your mouth. No tools, weapons, traps. You don't get to be a cheater and a fake carnivore. When you are done killing the squirrel in your mouth, eat it. I mean all of it, you don't get to choose what you want to eat and you don't get to choose to cook it either. You're a real meat eater. Animals eating other animals are designed to do it, they have the intestine length for it. They have a short intestinal tract, so they can push decaying and rotting animal flesh through quickly. Animal protein, cholesterol, saturated fat, trans-fatty acids, which is why it is impossible for any genuine meat eater to ever, clog their arteries.

Skeptic -

Remember I'm not your enemy here, just trying to reconnect people with animals. We all used to love animals as a kid, true animal lovers and friends to the animal kingdom. They used to make us laugh and smile, they made us happy as kids. Yeah I might sound like a five year old but remember there was a time in your life when you would do anything in the world to make your pets happy. To protect them from cruely, or at least acknowledge the cruelty they were receiving. If someone was mean to them infront of you, you'd of screamed and cried. Because you understood right form wrong - when it came to the way animals are treated. Until the meat and dairy industry told you differently.

If a cow kicked you then we'd have to look at it from your view point, the victim. I'm sure if cows mass enslaved us we would be screaming for justice.
 
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icecold - That's what I meant as well by manipulation.

Speculative? If we all understand that animals use their eyes to see, ears to hear, mouths to eat, noses to smell, legs to walk, feathers to fly, fins to swim, genitalia to procreate, bowels to defecate. Are you telling me that they can't also use their brains to think, feel, be rational, be aware and be self-aware?

No murder is murder. The only reason it's exclusive to humans is because we believe that our species is so more special, so more superior than others, that we're the only ones that count, and we're the only ones that matter. So, correct me if I'm wrong, but that line of thinking, that thought process, that is the basis of all forms of discrimination. One group saying and thinking that they are more special than everyone else, and they proceed to exploit them, oppress them, denying them their right to be free.

As for the squirrel, but circumstances don't demand it. I can have hot dogs without causing harm to another being, or just eat things that are truly natural, like fruits and vegetables or beans and lentils.

The I'd love to see people eat raw flesh from the bone, down to the bone with nothing left but the bones, day after day after day. I'm sure they would start turning to other sources of nutrition.

Animals have done nothing to harm us. You don't get to have freedom when somebody else doesn't. Stop discriminating against another species.
 
We aren't lions, we are privileged to have a choice, to not cause abuse.

Syla5 - You speak like we own animals, they aren't our property. And what life is it to live? How would you feel, if the day that you were born, somebody else had already planned the day of your execution?

The root cause of world hunger - meat eating societies. 65% of the worlds grains are set aside every year to feed 53 billion land animals that are killed every year on this planet. The number one cause is animal agriculture.

There would be less animals because we wouldn't be mass raping and producing them. There would be less dead animals that sufferer immense pain. You honestly think that if everyone was a vegan animals would be worse off?

MrMoonX - Contrats, nice to see a vegan in the thread :) Do you have any blog/log about that, what you ate and how you achieved it?

Begbie - Why are you using that in your argument? We can keep ourselves safe from animals without abusing them. We are a technological advanced species who can live off mother earth. Also cows just want to eat grass and chickens aren't going to peck your eyes out when you sleep. And come on you care a little otherwise you wouldn't join the discussion.

Tenzo - That could be good depending on your view of him, if you think he's a **** then let me list some other vegans/vegetarians. Albert Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Plato, Sir Isaac Newton, Vincent Van Gogh.
Thomas Edison
"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

Catch you guys later, it's sunny out and I gotta get myself some vit D! Have a good afternoon :)
 
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Syla5 - Vegans let animals live too, for a lot longer.

Captain Planet - We set aside most of our grains for animals (which we have produced to many of because of cheap meat) which could be used to feed hungry people. Billions of marine animals, we have fish farms. Instead of using those crops for six billion people.

Skillmister - Every year every cow on every dairy farm is raped.

tom_e - So, are you founder of People for the Ethical Treatment of Sperm? I'm glad you might be concerned about this but let’s keep in mind the main form of cruelty on the planet, is what we do to the animals.

I was just thinking whilst I went for a walk, of lions and giant horents trying to eat Begbie. Just walking down the woods and a lion attacked him and jumped on him. I'd be like ah too bad I'm a vegan man.





I would beat the ****, or try to beat the **** out of that lion and get him off you as self defense. You were attacked. Same if some human jumped on my friends for no reason I'd protect them too. If hornets are attacking and killing people in Japan then they have the right to attack and kill them too. Keep in mind cows do not attack us. Chickens have never attacked a human being in history.

Something else I’m curious about. Why do we think we’re better than chickens when we kill over 50 million chickens every year on this planet? We’ve been doing this for thousands of years. How is the murderer more special than the murdered? How is the oppressor better than the oppressed? We got this backwards, we’re not better than them. We’re the ones attacking them, that makes us less important. That makes us worse, evil.
 
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Syla5 - I believe it's crueler to kill a species than to not let it exist in the first place. What do you mean by letting it exist?

Ultra_Extreme - Respect. Well that's new to me, first time I'm glad someone trolled me. Yep if people choose to eat meat, cheese, milk and eggs, I think, at the very least, you are obligated to see the pain and suffering you are causing.

That said if people do feel the need to turn away and ignore what goes on, you might want to ask yourself a question: If it's not good enough for my eyes, then why is it good enough for my stomach?

UE do you have any pets?
 
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Thanks skeptic, I'll report back Wednesday, my friend has a video of my squatting, I'll get it off him. One thing I hate about recording in the gym is people think you are intending to upload it to youtube, as if you think you are lifting a world record.
 
True, the guy who called us out is on the juice and arrogant anyways, he shouted to us (at the other end of the gym) to at least put some weight on the bar if we are uploading it to youtube.

We don't have smart phones so had to use a digital camera with video record function, it's still only small but damn they all saw it alright.
 
You can't deny animals have feelings, a mother of a calf doesn't scream for three days when it's babie gets taken away from her for nothing.

No, it's murder. We murder billions of animals every year. The animals have done nothing wrong and are killed. They murder them with premeditation, and without penalty. We shouldn't even have separate words for that between species.

I know you would still cook your own meat but I was trying to make a point of a carnivore.

We got a founder of People for the Ethical Treatment of Bacteria in here now. This is the only thing that bothers me when this is brought up. Is that you want to equate cows in the same level as parasites and bacteria.

Okay fine, but do bacteria harm you most of the time? When they do, they’re harmful and you have the right to defend yourself and kill something that’s harming you.
 
I accept murder is only equated to humans, by society. At one point in time slavery was made okay by society too.

It's not okay to discriminate about certain species, I believe in the opposite. Discrimination is one group saying and thinking that they're more special than everyone else, and they proceed to exploit them, oppress them, denying them their right to be free. That's where the line is drawn.

Besides I don’t want people to be concerned about bacteria and insects attacking them before thinking about mass animal abuse.

Another thing that I'm curious about. People questioning animal intelligence. Well what about babies, they are stupid and helpless too, but only a complete psycho would agree that babies should be enslaved, murdered, or set on fire.
 
wedgie - I'm not forcing you into this thread, if you don't want to discuss anything or feel like I'm embarrassing myself than you don't have to. People are asking questions, I'm answering them. That's all, not telling anyone to stop eating meat just defending my view on it regarding questions asked. And I don't mind people asking questions or posting photos of steaks, I'm glad people are interested in the topic, even if it's against it.

Yes eating meat is everyday part of life, the worlds oldest and strongest addiction. I'm not trying to take you away from your choice.

I believe animal abuse will be abolished one day, not meat eating altogether, but mass production of meat. We just need great men. Just like William Wilberforce helped abolish slavery. On a side note I love that he was born in the same city as me.
 
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