Can someone explain...

Why does everyone think you can extend on argument in a different situation and apply it as a standard to everything.

People shouldn't get upset over it, but the fact is that people do. If it doesn't mean anything to the rugby guys to just do something else, why is it so bad?

This is not about giving into people who complain. Why is it okay to let them do it knowing that it will likely cause trouble for everyone involved?

This case is nothing to do with some drawing of Mohammad or whatever. Peoples sensitivity on that issue is a complete joke for both people offended because of the censorship and due to the censorship. If people were to just grow up a little, the situation would never arise. It is a lose,lose situation for the university but a student punch up, on a university social would cause a lot of trouble and should be avoided.
 
Vonhelmet said:
It’s the usual situation, that those who whine the hardest about freedom of speech generally have nothing of merit to say.
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And typically the lefties here want safe spaces for everyone, and the banning of everything that might hurt those feels.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Why does everyone think you can extend on argument in a different situation and apply it as a standard to everything.

People shouldn't get upset over it, but the fact is that people do. If it doesn't mean anything to the rugby guys to just do something else, why is it so bad?

This is not about giving into people who complain. Why is it okay to let them do it knowing that it will likely cause trouble for everyone involved?

This case is nothing to do with some drawing of Mohammad or whatever. Peoples sensitivity on that issue is a complete joke for both people offended because of the censorship and due to the censorship. If people were to just grow up a little, the situation would never arise. It is a lose,lose situation for the university but a student punch up, on a university social would cause a lot of trouble and should be avoided.
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The argument you just used with the miners could be used with religious icons (I'm not being specific).

Why is it OK to let people say (or draw) something that you know will cause trouble for everyone involved?

It's the same argument. You say it doesn't apply to religious icons... but it's the same damn argument.
 
Firstly, you assumed that i am okay with censorship of religious icons. I don't care either way, i just think peoples delicate sensitivities on the matter is ridiculous.

Both sides looking to be offended and in some cases be offensive.

You want to offend someone? Do it, but accept the repercussions and don't expect everyone to give you the thumbs up if it will effect them too. People are annoyed at the university for trying to do damage control, that is what is ridiculous.

If you are representing the university in some form or another, you are subject to what they decide. They may not be in uniform but it would be quite obvious that its a social
 
Since inception Universities have been a hot bed of angst, far left and far right agendas and people who NEED to be offended and oppressed most often from the middle and upper classes so they can feel whole and ‘with the people’.

This is an example of this.

Saw this on Twitter today, just some bloke but liked it.

“You don’t go to university to be ‘satisfied’. You go to be profoundly challenged, unsettled, pushed and skilled in the hope that you might think differently and better when you graduate.”
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Firstly, you assumed that i am okay with censorship of religious icons. I don't care either way, i just think peoples delicate sensitivities on the matter is ridiculous.

Both sides looking to be offended and in some cases be offensive.

You want to offend someone? Do it, but accept the repercussions and don't expect everyone to give you the thumbs up if it will effect them too. People are annoyed at the university for trying to do damage control, that is what is ridiculous.
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The university didn't just stop them, they used words like "deplorable" and "disgusting" in reference to the planned event.

Completely OTT. They fell over themselves to disown the rugby club students and placate the miners. Ex miners. Miners who haven't been miners for 30 odd years now.

It's not like once you're a miner you can't do any other kind of work...
 
Housey said:
Since inception Universities have been a hot bed of angst, far left and far right agendas and people who NEED to be offended and oppressed most often from the middle and upper classes so they can feel whole and ‘with the people’.

This is an example of this.
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No, it’s really not. Read the article in the original post. The people annoyed aren’t from the university and aren’t middle-class. They’re former miners.
 
Having played rugby for 27+ seasons I can honestly say rugby players are vile vile beasts. It is important that rugby traditions are maintained so we can winnow out and identify these depraved individuals and such parties form an important role in rugby player identification.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
It's not like the team can't have a bit of a giggle and get on with their lives, pleased that they kept up the tradition of skirting line... oh wait, they probably did do that.
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Again you're just saying that we should all avoid saying or doing anything that will upset somebody. And if necessary be prevented from saying or doing anything that would upset anybody.

And then saying, "There are plenty of other things you could say or do that won't offend anybody; try doing that instead."

Which basically means, "You should only be free to act in a way which causes no offence".

And yes, plenty of us have a big problem with that thinking.
 
I said that they could have still carried on, they would just have to deal with the university afterwards.

Not unreasonable, given they were warned not to do it and that they represent the university. If a company told you that you were not allowed to wear nazi uniforms on a company fancy dress themed party, would you start banging on about freedom of expression?

The university is just protecting its public image. Nothing new really
 
If you think A is OK would you defend a person doing B?

Well, are A and B significantly different? Is the miners strike similar to the 3rd Reich? You tell me.
 
Okay fine, if the company asked you to not go as a miner then, what would you do?

I personally would choose something else, because it is not worth the trouble and wouldn't matter to me. What about you, would you adhere to the rules or do it anyway in protest?
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Okay fine, if the company asked you to not go as a miner then, what would you do?

I personally would choose something else, because it is not worth the trouble and wouldn't matter to me. What about you, would you adhere to the rules or do it anyway in protest?
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If the group voted to keep the miner's theme I'd have gone along with it.

The point is it should be their choice. Instead the university have threatened them with sanctions, denounced them in the media, and summoned them to "explain their actions".

I personally don't think they have anything to explain. It was a bit of fun, and you can't be responsible for other people taking offence.


Let me ask you... when is it acceptable to say, "Your having taken offence about this issue is not justified."

Is it ever acceptable to say that? Should we always live in fear of others taking offence at something we might do? Where do you draw the line, if somebody says "I'm offended", when do you just ignore them?
 
At the end of the day, they are a doing it for a university sports social. This will reflect badly on the university and the university have the right to hold them accountable for any poor representation. They have the right to defend and explain themselves should they have carried on or not.

Denouncing the actions of a university social because they find it crass is not uncommon or new, it is certainly not a big deal. This is such a non story it is ridiculous.
 
Vonhelmet said:
I still want to know when we’re having the Moors Murderer social.
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There's a free spot in the OcUK calendar following the Nazi and KKK socials.
rubberduck said:
Out of interest foxeye would you take offence at an event with the theme 'tax-avoiding buy to let landlords and scummy pauper tenants'?
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Actually I watch that show sometimes and cringe just as hard at the bad tenants as I do at the crappy landlords. I think it would make a pretty crappy dress up tho, as you really wouldn't be able to tell who was what.
 
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