Can you prove that God does not exist?
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That's because "The Jews" is so bloody vague you can make it mean anything.Vegetarian said:
Is being "Jewish" a religion or a race? Can you be born Jewish (you can't be born Christian or Muslim, you have to chose it, even if that choice is forced on you by parents)
If it's just a religion, then there is no "nation that has endured".
If it's a race, by most people on this forum's logic, you can't be born a Jew anywhere other than the Jewish homeland.
Religion or race? It can't be both.
This is a stupid discussion as it will just lead to totally biased opinions. This is the problem with the world in my opinion, the fact that people are influenced by such biased, although in my experience (and so just an opinion!) Religious people are far more close minded on things in general then a Scientist. A scientist by definition will happily change there theories to try and make sense of the data as best possible. Religious people don't seem to do this, they just accept that someone else (this God person? 
) is doing whatever.
Maybe this is very black and white viewpoint, and that's probably true. But in my humble opinion religion is one of the biggest problems with the world. And that's not to say I have a problem with people that believe in it, I really don't. If you want to believe that's fine by me, it is the extremes that some people go to in the name of their god. All the worst things in history are usually to do with religion.
Can anything be proved? No it can't. Just because we can't prove he exists doesn't mean he doesn't (I'm a scientist and so I'm happy to believe that it is possible that their is a god, just as I'm happy to believe that there isn't)
I want proof either way! but we'll never get it.......
) is doing whatever.Maybe this is very black and white viewpoint, and that's probably true. But in my humble opinion religion is one of the biggest problems with the world. And that's not to say I have a problem with people that believe in it, I really don't. If you want to believe that's fine by me, it is the extremes that some people go to in the name of their god. All the worst things in history are usually to do with religion.
Can anything be proved? No it can't. Just because we can't prove he exists doesn't mean he doesn't (I'm a scientist and so I'm happy to believe that it is possible that their is a god, just as I'm happy to believe that there isn't)
I want proof either way! but we'll never get it.......
kkthxbye said:
that really isn't the case though is it.
There are plenty of people that where parented into religion, who have given it up.
Just as there are plenty of people who had atheist upbringings who have turned to religion later in life.
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proof, well even if its not its funny and true
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cheets64 said:
Every world religion is basicly the same as each other appart from christianity.
Christianity was writen over many thousens of years by 40 people inspired by God.
Islam - one persons view
Budism - one persons view
Hinduism - is really based on paganism
Christianity is the only one that preches forgiveness, love for others, turning the other cheek etc - all the rest deal with natural human emotions such as revenge, hating someone, lying is ok and violence etc
Christianity is the odd one out.... it preaches something thats not so natural for humans but something thats more fullfilling.
another thing almost all major world religions mention Jesus - even some sec's of hinduism talk about Jesus.... if Jesus was some random guy, why so much intrest??
All right then.AcidHell2 said:
Which God?
Remember, there are hundreds, if not thousands of them.
For the sake of argument, I'll assume he's talking about the Abrahamic God, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish God. (and not the Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Norse, Pagan, Wiccan or any of the other gods that people believe in)
And the answer is thus:
If such a God really exists, and has all the powers attributed to him in the bible, then you cannot prove he exists unless he wants you to, since that god is quite capable of bending the laws of physics to his own will, negating the result of any experiment you could perform.
And if such a being doesn't exist, you can't disprove it's existence, as all you'll prove is that you can't break the laws of physics.
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Mr.Clark said:
Exactly,
maybe all the religions are talking about the same person, just the storys got mixed up or altered, ect. I doubt any region is "right" and I doubt God cares (if he exists) which religion you believe in as long as you believe in him. As all religions have changed and how does anyone know which religion is the correct religion.
No, religion is used as excuse, not the means. The purpose of most r"religiuse war" like the crusades where primarily for landkkthxbye said:
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well, at the moment i can't explain how Derren Brown does a fraction of his act never mind the whole set, yet i don't think he's actually the second coming do you?Vegetarian said:
just because you can't explain something doesn't mean there's a deity somewhere responsible for it.
since civilization began, religion has been used to explain things we collectively don't understand. as time has progressed our understanding of the universe has increased exponentially, typically undermining religion along the way. i believe this is why religion in the west has ever falling numbers of followers, because we're on our way to understanding all of the hows and whys.
Vegetarian said:
Jesus was a con-man or delusional.
I see your christian indoctrination has made you intolerent, and bigoted. Which isn't a suprise really, that's the point of religion. The major religions have this way of teaching.
"My religion is better than yours"
Religion is nothing more than social/political/psychological control. You just don't realize it. You have to believe that there is something after death. Most people can't deal with "oblivion" once they're dead. It gives them peace of mind.
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Mr.Clark said:
Abrahamic God, the Christian and Jewish God are all the same! Islamic God is not the same as these as it preeches a vastly different message.
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kkthxbye said:
Religions is just made as an excuse for war - they be still fighing but over something else!
Vegetarian said:
Are you blind? Throughout the centuries Man has used the Christian God to execute His will. Its initial bloody spread through murder via dogmatic ultimatums and martyrdom, the crusades, various bodies of power using the classic Corinthians passage, Bush's conquest and many other examples. To say that Christianity preaches forgiveness etc. is naïve: Christianity follows the peaceful teaching of Christ, but remember he enforced many Old Testament passages—he didn't just give them new meaning! Akin to your statement, that's exactly it! Christianity is a very mortal religion, both rooted in human values and descended from teachings and translations of men, not Jesus himself.
But in regard to the topic, most of you seem to be referring to the Christian God, or likely at least an Abrahamic God. Religion is not simply put, it encompasses many spectra and walks of life, a lot of them being more open-minded than science as the possibilities are endless. The misconception that it is closed-minded is probably coming from the fact that major religion has changed very little over the years: however religion does not equate to belief.
Neither science nor religion is correct. Arguably science is pushing more boundaries and making more sense these days as more and more questions are being answered, even if theoretical and somewhat sketchy in diagnosis. Not all science is proven, remember, and the blind following of science is just as bad as the blind following of religion.
Abrahamic Religion is a term of Islamic/Muslim/Quranic origin, commonly used to designate the three prevalent monotheistic religions – Judaism, Christianity, and Islam – which claim Abraham as a part of their sacred historyVegetarian said: