Can you prove that God does not exist?
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You've missed the bigger picture.AcidHell2 said:
God created everything, right?
God knows everything that has, is and will happen.
God created Satan, knowing that he'd do evil. (hell, God even created evil, technically).
God gave man free will, knowing that he'd be tempted by Satan and cast down forever.
Nice...
so he wants us to freely choose to worship him then? Isnt that an even bigger EGO kick than having people worship him out of fear or brain addled adoration?
What i mean is: Its easy to force someone to DO something. But perhaps God gets greater pleasure watching his little creatures come running back to him and bowing down before him through their own free will marvelling at his magnificence.
Shouldnt God be encouraging us to think and recognize that no single being should or deserves worship but rather we should look to ourselves and have faith and belief in ourselves instead of some otherworldly entity?
What i mean is: Its easy to force someone to DO something. But perhaps God gets greater pleasure watching his little creatures come running back to him and bowing down before him through their own free will marvelling at his magnificence.
Shouldnt God be encouraging us to think and recognize that no single being should or deserves worship but rather we should look to ourselves and have faith and belief in ourselves instead of some otherworldly entity?
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I can't prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.
This thread is insane, there's some weird people around here (sorry). Every religion has been created by man and is plain wrong, the real religion is the one we cannot write.
There is something that started all this, but it sure as isn't the mainstream god you pray to every night.
There is something that started all this, but it sure as isn't the mainstream god you pray to every night.
I was in the middle of writing a long winded post about the whole religion v science aspect when I realised that I couldn't give two hoots as whatever side you are on in this argument, you aren't going to change your mind. This really is the stuff that wars are made of.
All I am going to do is post the picture and quote that inspire me more than anything else in my life.
We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you know, everyone you love, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines. Every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish this pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
- Carl Sagan, May 11th 1996
All I am going to do is post the picture and quote that inspire me more than anything else in my life.
We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you know, everyone you love, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines. Every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish this pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
- Carl Sagan, May 11th 1996
Tank said:I was in the middle of writing a long winded post about the whole religion v science aspect when I realised that I couldn't give two hoots as whatever side you are on in this argument, you aren't going to change your mind. This really is the stuff that wars are made of.
All I am going to do is post the picture and quote that inspire me more than anything else in my life.
We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you know, everyone you love, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines. Every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish this pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
- Carl Sagan, May 11th 1996
Case closesd, no matter where you go a certain percentage of people in a country will fight for a god, god gets chucked around so much, "god will save xxx in your family" and so on, there is no need for this God, you need to be weak to believe in a god, you believe in your family and seeing them grow up and live a life, not to die because of some 1000 year old book.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. We live for 80 years then die, then we dont come back, we never will, we will pass on memories to children but they will die and then the universe will die and everything created will be dead, millions billions of years from now and this will be just a black space.
Proving God doesn't exist is like trying to prove whether people have soul's or not.
It's not a case of whether God exists or not, we've reached a stage where we know that the earth isn't at the center of the universe, why there are hurricanes and earthquakes, all that matters is what you believe in (or don't believe in), since it's unlikely that God's existence can be disproved, it doesn't achieve anything trying.
It's not a case of whether God exists or not, we've reached a stage where we know that the earth isn't at the center of the universe, why there are hurricanes and earthquakes, all that matters is what you believe in (or don't believe in), since it's unlikely that God's existence can be disproved, it doesn't achieve anything trying.
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I'm sorry but you could bend the facts to say the same about any other religion. Christianity is only 'special' from the point of view of a Christian; any other religious person will see their own religion in the same way.Vegetarian said:
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Very truePhalanx said:
Good post btw, Tank. Carl Sagan is my hero.
There's more than one religion and a few of them try to disprove each other.
Also the fact some people convert from one to another.
Pretty much proves these people have no idea and well, all but one has to be lying, or all of them are fictional characters.
It's wrong to teach children at a young age about it, it should be discovered naturally not fed right from the get go, children are very impressionable, you can make them believe anything almost!
(Santa/Easter bunneh) hey, at least they grow out of it.
Also the fact some people convert from one to another.
Pretty much proves these people have no idea and well, all but one has to be lying, or all of them are fictional characters.
It's wrong to teach children at a young age about it, it should be discovered naturally not fed right from the get go, children are very impressionable, you can make them believe anything almost!
(Santa/Easter bunneh) hey, at least they grow out of it.
ChrisJSY said:
It's not necessarilly a case of lying, it's a case of different interpretations of Abraham's teachings (or other prophets). Ofcourse lets hope for the sake of the theists out there that the person they picked to have faith in is the right one because the other suckers will be going to hell (unfortunately, i sound like the Westbro Baptist Church)
ChrisJSY said:
well, correct, some religions don't use the teachings from Prophets (i'm not an expert but im pretty sure Buddhism and perhaps Hinduism don't follow Abraham's teachings) but Judaism, Christianity and Islam all follow the teachings of Prophet's such as Abraham, Muhammad, Jesus and all those other bearded fellas