Can you prove that God does not exist?

Surfer · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:43

What difference does it make? :confused:

yes or no doesnt make a blind bit of difference to me....

Why should it make a difference to how people decide how to live their lives? They should be as they are and not be influenced by some overarcing demi-power just because said entity has the power (omnipotence apparently) to do whatever they like to you.

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:44

kkthxbye said:
How is it an excuse? really...loads of wars are started over religion, and yea im sure fighting will carry on but anything less is better right?

it wouldn't be less, the excuse for wars would just turn to political or lies about WMD

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:45

AcidHell2 said:
I doubt God cares (if he exists) which religion you believe in as long as you believe in him.

Which, in itself, is enough for me to not want anything to do with him.

That sort of ego should not be fed.

All of this "I'm all powerful, worship me" ******** is guaranteed to put me right off.

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:46

Mr.Clark said:
Which, in itself, is enough for me to not want anything to do with him.

That sort of ego should not be fed.

All of this "I'm all powerful, worship me" ******** is guaranteed to put me right off.

how do you or any other person know what ego he has?

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:47

AcidHell2 said:
how do you or any other person know what ego he has?

I thought you did

I doubt God cares (if he exists) which religion you believe in as long as you believe in him.

Sounds quite egotistical to me...

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:49

Mr.Clark said:
I thought you did

Sounds quite egotistical to me...

that's my view if I believed, which I don't.

And how does believing in him make you egotistic?

B&W · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:50

To the OP:

can you proove he does?

can you proove some tribal god in africa doesn't exist?

Sorry if this is OT or not what you wanted.

Surfer · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:51

AcidHell2 said:
how do you or any other person know what ego he has?

lol.. a being who requires worship by billions of people? How can it not be about ego?

But myself i suspect "God" as he is usually represented; as a being or personlike entity just does not exist. But still its a comfort to a great many people so they are welcome to their religion as long as it does not infringe upon the freedom of others.

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:53

Surfer said:
lol.. a being who requires worship by billions of people? How can it not be about ego?

perhaps it's about a parental love and not wanting to see his "children" die.

Substance · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:53

Ok, i have never been religious, but i have always hoped there would be something there, never really believing but never disbelieving,

Now my grandmother went to church about 3 times a week, she prayed every morning and night and she has never done any harm to anything,

Not that long ago she was diagnosed with cancer, she was told it is spreading and that they can delay it but it is not going to go away (she is only in her 60's)

She still prays every night and morning and still gets to church when she can,

My question is... Where was god when this happened and where is he now?

This whole event has well and truley lost any little faith i once had

cheets64 · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:54

There is no place for god in the British soicety anymore, we dont need to believe in a being saving us from grace, we have built up a sociecty that took on many wonders of the world then settled home and took on the Germans, no we have to deal with this muslims, we let them into our country not as slaved but as workers, homes, benefits free health care, so where are these muslims prasing there grandfathers life.

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:55

SuBsTaNcE said:
My question is... Where was god when this happened and where is he now?

It all depends what religion you believe in, But freedom of will and the fact God can not interfere. It basically means God has to let the world run it's natural cause with no interference.

squiffy · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:57

Where was the Muslim god on the Asian Tsuami
Where was the Christian god on September 11th?
No-where.

Unless religious people say "it was god's plan" :rolleyes:

AcidHell2 said:
AcidHell2 said:

It all depends what religion you believe in, But freedom of will and the fact God can not interfere. It basically means God has to let the world run it's natural cause with no interference.

Click to expand...

So why bother if he's not going to interfere?

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:58

squiffy said:
Where was the Muslim god on the Asian Tsuami
Where was the Christian god on September 11th?
No-where.

Unless religious people say "it was god's plan"

it's not part of gods plan

AcidHell2 said:
It all depends what religion you believe in, But freedom of will and the fact God can not interfere. It basically means God has to let the world run it's natural cause with no interference.

Substance · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:58

Sorry i forgot to mention, the religion is christianity, and does this still apply?

I don't really know any more, they all seem to make up new rules(lies) about most things nowadays, gay vicar's as an example, now i don't have a problem with this, but surely the bible says this is wrong

Azza · 1 Jul 2007 at 01:59

As per the title question, I do not think that I can prove that 'God' does or does not exist.

Glaucus · 1 Jul 2007 at 02:02

SuBsTaNcE said:
Sorry i forgot to mention, the religion is christianity, and does this still apply?

I don't really know any more, they all seem to make up new rules(lies) about most things nowadays, gay vicar's as an example, now i don't have a problem with this, but surely the bible says this is wrong

i'f you have vicars maybe not.
and the church of England and other such churches are bull, you can't accept gay vicars, you cant have saints ect ect ect. (i'm not to hot on the church of England and similar Christian religions), as there's far to much nonsense init.

I'll probably get slagged of for this. But it's worthy of a thought.
satan was thrown out of heaven for disobeying/challenging god.
adam/ever got tempted (freedom of will) by Satan and thus allowed sin in.
God then had to leave humans to there own will, otherwise he proves that stan was right and that he was a controlling, egotistic so and so.

Surfer · 1 Jul 2007 at 02:03

AcidHell2 said:
perhaps it's about a parental love and not wanting to see his "children" die.

It might be but we dont have evidence for that. Do we? As my old philosophy lecturer used to tell me "never multiple entities beyond necessity"(Occams razor) Stick to the essentials of what is known.

The most common accepted characteristic of a deity is that they are worshiped by all us lesser mortals. Above that and the concept gets unnecessarily complicated ( the humanisation of said deityt e.g. allocating human characteristics like love)

Mr.Clark · 1 Jul 2007 at 02:03

AcidHell2 said:
that's my view if I believed, which I don't.

And how does believing in him make you egotistic?

Ah, no. Sorry.

I was saying if an omnipotent being wants people to believe in or worship him then that being is egotistic.

AcidHell2 said:
perhaps it's about a parental love and not wanting to see his "children" die.

Maybe he shouldn't have made human bodies susceptible to age or disease then...

AcidHell2 said:
It all depends what religion you believe in, But freedom of will and the fact God can not interfere. It basically means God has to let the world run it's natural cause with no interference.

So he gave us free will, set us on this path (after things like Noah and killing off most of humanity, anyway) with no interference and then this supposedly benevolent god punishes people after they die for not believing in a being that deliberately left no evidence of his existence?

That's just crazy...

marc2003 · 1 Jul 2007 at 02:04

all christians will find out the truth about whether god exists or not when they die. i might be wrong but i think they're all going to be hugely disappointed.