Canadian Grand Prix 2015, Montréal - Race 7/19

Flibster said:
There was an investigation done during the race. Nothing was needed.

It's Alan Jones as the driver steward, so he gets everything done quickly. :D
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I'm hoping the investigation was just for the actual incident with Vettel and he'll get the book thrown at him for his recovery, not holding out much hope though as stewards don't tend to draw attention to dangerous driving when no harm came of it.
 
Ted doing a pretty decent job, far better than some of the idioms they get to do it.
Although drivers still ignoring questions and reciting PR script,
 
dalin80 said:
Mercedes never told lewis when to or how to brake, they told him how much he needed to cruise. No rules against cruising.
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Yeah, braking point is where Hamilton wants to brake, they didn't say brake 10 metres from one specific corner, just that where you would want to brake hard, wherever that is, lift and coast 50/100m before that instead.
 
Im counting 4 pages on this thread.
I think this is an indication of how much interest these races are getting.
I forwarded most of the race on iplayer - it really was a bore.
In general we know who will win and who will finish 2nd. The only unpredictable is 3rd and below.

During the Vettel dominance, at least Alonso was competing with Vettel, but this year, nobody is competing with Hamilton.

RBR really were bad today, but McLaren - the entire team should hang their heads in shame and that includes the Honda F1 staff. So many resources are available to them and they can barely go faster than Manor and when they do, their car breaks, because the settings are too aggressive. My suspicion is that if they turned the settings down, to give them reliability, they may be slower than the Manor cars.
 
sunama said:
Im counting 4 pages on this thread.
I think this is an indication of how much interest these races are getting.
I forwarded most of the race on iplayer - it really was a bore.
In general we know who will win and who will finish 2nd. The only unpredictable is 3rd and below.

During the Vettel dominance, at least Alonso was competing with Vettel, but this year, nobody is competing with Hamilton.

RBR really were bad today, but McLaren - the entire team should hang their heads in shame and that includes the Honda F1 staff. So many resources are available to them and they can barely go faster than Manor and when they do, their car breaks, because the settings are too aggressive. My suspicion is that if they turned the settings down, to give them reliability, they may be slower than the Manor cars.
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You can say the same about qualifying. It's either Mercedes followed by a Ferrari. I have missed a few qualifying sessions because of this. Unless it is wet. Even then it is predictable.
 
sunama said:
RBR really were bad today, but McLaren - the entire team should hang their heads in shame and that includes the Honda F1 staff. So many resources are available to them and they can barely go faster than Manor and when they do, their car breaks, because the settings are too aggressive. My suspicion is that if they turned the settings down, to give them reliability, they may be slower than the Manor cars.
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Exactly, BAR were a new team with Reynard and a old Supertech that Renault had stopped developing and with two drivers not as good as mclarens or the budget, yet this Mclaren team is a joke. BAR made a better job than this.

Honda just plain suck, they ambled from not getting the engine hot enough to too hot with BAR. Far too conservative and now paired with such an unadventurous team. It won't end well for Alonso and the marriage with Mclaren.

Brilliant to watch though.
 
Vertigo1 said:
So is Jenson in total denial or just towing the company line in the hope he gets another season out of them?
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Towing the company line, but more and more often it's becoming clear during races and their frustration that it's all BS.

I mean Jenson giving it you don't win your first year in the sport. But this isn't their first year in the sport. Most of that car is built from experience of people who have been in the team or the sport for decades. The engine may be new but the Merc/Renault/Ferrari engine were brand new last year and weren't this bad and the Merc engine did win in it's first year. THe Merc car and engine last year were as new as the Mclaren can and Honda engine this year so that excuse is so fundamentally awful it's laughable and that no one is calling them on it it's a joke.

Also the sky bird interviewing Button getting it entirely wrong, she thinks it's the first time they had problems with fuel saving? Australia was laughable with Button on the radio complaining about lifting embarrassingly early and they've had to fuel save heavily everywhere.

It's an inefficient and rubbish engine, again I don't know if that is Honda's fault directly or indirectly. If they sign a contract with Mclaren then Mclaren say the engine must by 20% smaller than you want at any costs then the responsibility is on Mclaren. I think they are both at fault but how much who knows.


The stupid thing is rushing the engine the results were predictable, even if they made more sensible decisions in terms of not compromising engine for aero so completely I don't think they'd have done well, just maybe less badly. I have no idea why Alonso went there, except of course 20-30mil a year. I'd have taken a year out after screwing myself out of the Ferrari seat and tried to get a Lotus or, screw it, take 50mil a year to drive for Haas or something.

I think Button and ALonso are done now, completely. That car won't be competitive next year, unlikely to be great by 2017, I think they'll both be ending their careers now before Mclaren/Honda manage to become competitive.
 
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