Canadian Grand Prix 2015, Montréal - Race 7/19

Is this real life?

Grosjean said: "Max is really, really talented and what he has been doing is quite impressive, but he made a mistake. I find it disappointing that he doesn't learn from it."

Grosjean, him, he's telling other drivers to learn from his first ever on track F1 crash, the man that consecutively rinning for 2 years was a complete and utter disaster?

Even button had a not of a go, what a bunch of toss pots.
 
Its brilliant isn't it, him and Massa. Its as if they think that pointing the spotlight at someone else enough will make people forget what **** they have been in the past.

Max has been brilliant this year. Really bold, brave moves that most other drivers wouldn't even consider. I hope he never calms down.

Edit: Lol! The words this forum randomly filters boggle the mind!
 
Grosjean has to some degree learned however having a go at someone for their first crash is still stupid. That could be one of only 3 crashes he has in the next 5 years making him no different to any top driver. Until someone is crashing every weekend there is no need to jump the gun and change how they drive. Ultimately how Verstappen has driven to date is how he got the drive in the first place.

Massa on the other hand seriously hasn't learned a damn thing in his entire time in F1. Massa rarely keeps his mouth shut which isn't necessarily an issue except he's so wrong so often and entirely oblivious to his own failings.
 
I took a disliking to Massa when he Videobombed Lewis' post race interview and said "Good job man" for their collision. But since then I've grown to like him.

Max is young enough to take it on the chin and let it pass. You can be sure if they meet on circuit their will be a hell of a fight.
 
I have to say, even though people may disagree, I don't think it's a good idea everyone immediately saying penalty. We should be promoting overtake attempts, not discouraging them.
 
MooMoo444 said:
I have to say, even though people may disagree, I don't think it's a good idea everyone immediately saying penalty. We should be promoting overtake attempts, not discouraging them.
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Yea definitely, it's not like Verstappen has been driving like a idiot all season, quite the opposite in fact, so I think all this over an attempt at an overtake gone wrong (in Monaco no less!) is silly.
 
cu3ed said:
Even button had a not of a go, what a bunch of toss pots.
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As far as I can tell, Button's only issue was Verstappen saying that Grosjean brake-tested him:

the Beeb said:
Briton Jenson Button said Verstappen should be careful with what he says, after wrongly accusing Grosjean of deliberately braking early.

McLaren driver Button, the 2009 world champion, said: "He's obviously inexperienced, it's easy to go and jump on the bandwagon with that.

"The thing is, you've got to be very careful with what you do say in the press.

"To point the finger at someone and say that they brake-tested you, that's serious. I don't think that happens in motorsport these days, we're all grown-ups and we don't do things like that in Formula 1."
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Anyway, my biggest problem with the penalty is that once again the stewards are punishing someone for making a mistake rather than a deliberately dangerous move. Not exactly the way to encourage on-track action, is it?
 
JRS said:
Anyway, my biggest problem with the penalty is that once again the stewards are punishing someone for making a mistake rather than a deliberately dangerous move. Not exactly the way to encourage on-track action, is it?
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Yet when Maldonado, in a similar incident, went somersaulting into the catch-fencing in the RWS and was banned for life at Monaco (later retracted), people (not here) were saying it was fully deserved.

The fact that Verstappen didn't go airborne over the turn 1 tyre wall and into the marshals standing there is down to luck alone.

I love a good hard charger as much as anyone and have loved watching Verstappen this season, Monaco included, but this is F1, and small accidents don't tend to happen in such instances. It might not have intentionally been dangerous, but it was dangerous and could so easily have been another Fuji or Toronto horror show.

Just a few months ago we were up in arms about the complacency in F1 leading to injuries or worse, yet because this didn't end up in anything more than a winded driver we should just shrug our shoulders because he was able to cleanly pass on other occasions? You have to judge each incident on its own merits.

The fact he then went on the offensive rather than just holding his hands up and apologising to Grosjean is just childish... even Grosjean was bigger than that in his first few accident-prone years.
 
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Verstappen went in a bit hot and made and misjudged the overtake, he should hold his hands up and say so.

Anyway one of my favourite tracks on the calendar, love how close some of the walls are to the track and always the chance of a safety car to mix things up
 
Heard on reddit that they might be adjusting the walls/sleeping policeman on the final chicane to avoid people flatlining it. Wonder who that is aimed at :p
 
this_is_gav said:
The fact he then went on the offensive rather than just holding his hands up and apologising to Grosjean is just childish... even Grosjean was bigger than that in his first few accident-prone years.
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I agree with you there - knee-jerk accusations of brake-testing before you've looked into what happened are just silly.

By the way, was Maldonado's incident that similar to Verstappen? I thought Maldonado's Monaco ban came from him failing to slow for yellow flags and hitting a marshal. His dad then intervened and paid for the marshal's hospital and rehab bill to get the ban rescinded (if you believe the German paper Bild, which has had an 'interesting' relationship with the truth over the years).
 
cu3ed said:
Really lots a lot of reposect for Massa and they way he has been getting on, he sounds jealous, he's made so many stupid mistakes himself and then trying to bend the truth in a sport that's monitored in every possible way.
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He's Brazilian. I've met a fair few like that in Capoeira (of course I've met plenty of nice Brazilians too). Just look at Nelson Pique Jr saying how he's so much better than Di Grassi in the build up to the race at Monaco.
 
Ha, that tiny tiny little polystyrene bollard to make a tiny sharper lane by the wall. That is actually a very sensible elegant solution. Others were saying big polystyrene things like Monza but you didn't want to risk frankly loads of polystyrene all over the final chicane. Drivers wouldn't want crap all over the corner causing even the slightest bit of loss of grip into wall of champions.

Thing is, will anyone forget because that tiny bollard, seems hard to spot from a distance. Wouldn't surprise me if during the race someone will miss it.

EDIT:- Also somehow they missed staples on the track in the pitlane and removed them during the session.... nuts really.
 
Button complaining about being talked to in corners... zomg, he must be an awful human being as apparently every time Hamilton asks not to be distracted in corners it's because he's a terrible human being who is angry and just being petulant... or as we've all said. All drivers hate being distracted in corners.


Mercedes looking like they've made a big step. One thing being pretty much confirmed and one new thing being found out about Merc engines. We knew ages ago they went more conservative than they can go because they knew they had decent updates for Canada and wanted to stretch the first engines over 6 races rather than 4-5. The new bit we found out is the Merc engine has a knocking problem in the fastest engine modes meaning they haven't been at max power anyway. If mode 1 is fastest, they haven't used that at all, mode 2 for qualifying and mode 3 for race maybe. However that is what they can run, what I think they have been running is mode 3 and 4 for qualy/race because they've been wanting to go more races.

So they gain a huge engine advantage, if the knocking problem is completely fixed they gain the fastest modes they simply haven't used before. Due to going way longer than anyone else on the first engine they now have a HUGE engine advantage for the rest of the year, so they have no requirement to do 6 races and can use those higher engine modes much more often now as well.

Lotus/FI both looking WAY faster this weekend as a result. Mercedes themselves having an even bigger gap than usual. Mclaren may have made a big step as well.

Ferrari will be interest to find out what engines they are using. While they have updates it wasn't clear when or if they'd be used this weekend. They may decide they can't compete and use the old engine all weekend, or they may only install it tomorrow. If they installed it today and tried to go fairly fast they don't appear to have gained anything at all as yet. Almost impossible to know how hard they pushed and the likes though, because of raining predicted for later it IS likely most cars were pushing fairly hard in FP1.

I hope Ferrari were on the old engine, if the new one I think Merc made even bigger gains with just reliability updates than Ferrari did with reliability and token updates.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Button complaining about being talked to in corners... zomg, he must be an awful human being as apparently every time Hamilton asks not to be distracted in corners it's because he's a terrible human being who is angry and just being petulant...
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Oh look, a butthurt Hamilton fan. That's new.
 
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