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I think the team knew it, way more than Vettel did. Their driver fluffed it for them.
Poll: Canadian Grand Prix 2019, Montréal - Race 7/21
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I think the team knew it, way more than Vettel did. Their driver fluffed it for them.
He left the track and caused Hamilton to brake when he rejoined, its clear cut.
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5/10 for me. 2 bonus points for the Vettel reaction - whatever side you're on, moving the 1st and 2nd place signs was just hilarious.
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I'm staying relatively neutral on the subject, as I don't have the data that the teams and stewards have.
If Vettel's telemetry data shows that he lifted sufficiently and steered accordingly in order to keep it together safely, then it should be a racing incident and I think the 5 second penalty is harsh. However, if the telemetry data shows very much the opposite, then I'd be fine with the steward's response.
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Did I say that? ALL he had to do was NOT accelerate so hard and let it either roll off the grass or be smart with less throttle input, but Vettel doesn't do smart does he? He does stupid, time and time again.
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Exactly. The stewards looked at the telemetry, saw that he did NOT lift enough to avoid the incident and ruled accordingly, it's that simple.
All this arguing is Ferrari fans with major butt-hurt, that's it. You lot can scream Merc/Hamilton supporters are fanboys/wrong/blind as much as you want but the fact remains that telemetry doesn't lie.
I can't believe how many people are calling for it to have been left alone as a racing incident! That would open a can of worms and set a precedent of being able to block drivers after making a mistake and disguising it as being "out of control". No. Seb had enough control to deliberately turn right and position the car to block Lewis. Seb probably lost 2 seconds at least during that incident and Hamilton was a second behind. Why should Lewis lose out due to Seb buckling under pressure. Lewis forced the error and it was the peak of the battle and Seb tried to cheap out and claw back his error coz that's the kind of person he is.
If it was during qualifying that incident, it's a penalty for hampering a lap all day long. In a race it's the same if not worse.
I'm really beginning to dislike this aggressive blocking and late moves to defend as well. A lot of drivers are getting away with moving twice. Did anyone see how late Ricciardo moved when Bottas had a jump on him down the back straight? Nearly caused a big accident. It's basically cheating when you move in that way as a method to cause your opponent to heavily lift to avoid collision.
If it was during qualifying that incident, it's a penalty for hampering a lap all day long. In a race it's the same if not worse.
I'm really beginning to dislike this aggressive blocking and late moves to defend as well. A lot of drivers are getting away with moving twice. Did anyone see how late Ricciardo moved when Bottas had a jump on him down the back straight? Nearly caused a big accident. It's basically cheating when you move in that way as a method to cause your opponent to heavily lift to avoid collision.
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Oh and 8/10 for me. The racing was good, the duel between the two well worth watching. The after-party mood swings and teddy throwing competition sealed the deal.
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Yes saw that and noted no action, the second time he did it was pretty bad too. Surprised Merc haven't approached the stewards about it tbh.
Max started it all off and the FIA weren't harsh enough which has led to others copying, albeit not as blatant.
Ferrari fan here I dont particularly care about this one race. I think the penalty was on the harsh side and I suspect role reversal most fans would but there are bigger problems than the over penalisation in f1. This season is as good as over. Tyre management and managing components is the name of the game now, most races are processional or if not a drs button masterclass. I use to diligently watch every race, now I'm not even bothered when I miss a race like I did yesterday.
The pinnacle of motorsport? Is it really that anymore?
Max is one of the worst offenders. I think the one against Kimi (in spa?) was just dangerous.
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Exactly, I think it very unlikely they just penalised him on a whim. There was some time before they made the decision, they must have looked at the telemetry.
Of course, it is just easier to blindly shout fanboy as a defence.
On the plus side, it greatly spiced up what was becoming (and would have been) a very dull race.
Whilst Hamilton has grown, Vettel continues to blame all but himself and acts in a very childish manner.
Max has gotten away with far too much. Sky are fine with that too though, and seemingly any infringement, since apparently it adds to the racing.
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Like I said earlier in the thread I do think it was harsh and it ruined the duel, but he did break the rules as clearly defined. My point was the die-hards just won't accept that.
Agree with your other points.
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The one exciting thing in the race gets punished.
So after no pit lane fires (refluel), no engines blowing up and huge runoff areas we now aren't allowed some exciting racing.
So after no pit lane fires (refluel), no engines blowing up and huge runoff areas we now aren't allowed some exciting racing.
Someone summed up the problem on another forum, in the interest of safety (keeping increasingly young/rubbish drivers in the race for sponsors more like tbh) tracks are no longer punishing drivers for making mistakes because things like gravel traps have been removed, so stewards are having to intervene more in such incidents with artificial penalties that enrage your average viewer. If there had been a gravel trap there Vettel would have either retired or lost 2-3 seconds at least. With runoffs or grass you can just floor it back onto the track and in the case of what happened yesterday try to block the car behind. The tracks are causing the problem, it's like golf today the 'rough' grass is like the fairway and doesn't punish poor shots.
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I agree with that to a point. If there had been a gravel trap instead of grass yesterday then Vettel would have slowed more, for sure, and Hamilton may have passed. However, there would also be half a ton of gravel deposited on to the track, and due to the wall there would be nowhere for it to go - possibly could have resulted in a safety car while the track was cleared.
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Well that puts the conspiracy theory in here that the stewards and the FIA are biased towards Ferrari....
That's been one of the funniest things about this whole ordeal. The ferrari fans ranting on about how you get away with anything if you drive a mercedes. Oh the irony when for years we called the FIA Ferrari International Assistance for their bias for Ferrari.
On another note, any sympathy I might have had for vettel disappeared with his childish antics in the pit lane swapping the numbers about and not putting his car in the podium positions. What a *&!%
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The suspension collapse on Norris’ car not exciting enough for you? I bet he found it quite stimulating.
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Yes we are but within the rules.
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Have to agree with this in general but where Seb went off there isn't enough area for gravel to slow the car down before hitting the very close barrier.
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