Canon 5D MK4

[D.P.]

It's always about the right tools for the job. That's all I've been saying in this thread, I'm more of a ~24MP person, others want to maximise to achieve their specific requirements. An Exception wants the best, and I don't blame him for his choice. Of course that doesn't mean that great work isn't also being done with alternative gear that is available

All I want is around 16-24MP covering the APS-C sensor region, the upshot of which is 36-56MP in FF. Is that needed in FF , NO, but Lr makes it easy to export to any lower resolution I want and I get the advantage of better micro-contrast, edge definition and detail, and less obtrusive noise by downsampling from a higher resolution, with no cost involved.

 

[And]

Aaah, but that's not what you originally said

Yes, they have no camera capable of high resolution images compared with their 2 competitors, Nikon and Sony. Thus they aren't competitive in that market segment.
That is not the same thing as saying Canon don't have competitive cameras or the 5dmk3 is not competitive against the D800. And I never said such things!

My view is that there is no better system, just better photographers.

 

[D.P.]

Because his not well off mate and the 5d3 does the job for him

And the D800 does the job for people wanting high resolution who can't afford MF!
Thanks for proving my point.

 

[D.P.]

Aaah, but that's not what you originally said

yes it is.

My view is that there is no better system, just better photographers.

In my view, cameras are only tools, the photographer makes the photo stand out, but the better the tool the better the photos and the higher chance of getting the good photo in the first place.



otherwise we would all be using pin-hole cameras on homemade silver nitrate
soaked paper. Funny enough we are all using cameras that we could onyl dream of 10 years ago.

If tennis was all about the player then they would be using wooden rackets with cat guts for strings.
IF motor racing was all about the driver then they would all be using 100 year old cars.
Etc, Etc.

The tool is vitally important as is the operator.

 

[Rojin]

All I want is around 16-24MP covering the APS-C sensor region, the upshot of which is 36-56MP in FF. Is that needed in FF , NO, but Lr makes it easy to export to any lower resolution I want and I get the advantage of better micro-contrast, edge definition and detail, and less obtrusive noise by downsampling from a higher resolution, with no cost involved.

That's the thing though, you have said yourself that the D800 is expensive to get the crop that you need, so you're thinking of the D7100. I'm saying the exact same thing, but I'm not shooting wildlife and can frame a FF shot as I requir but I also only need less than 36MP. You have the lenses you want for crop, I have the ones I want for FF and we both only want/need ~24MP

 

[D.P.]

That's the thing though, you have said yourself that the D800 is expensive to get the crop that you need, so you're thinking of the D7100. I'm saying the exact same thing, but I'm not shooting wildlife and can frame a FF shot as I requir but I also only need less than 36MP. You have the lenses you want for crop, I have the ones I want for FF and we both only want/need ~24MP

Ideally I would have a Camera with the same pixel density as a 24MP APS-C sensor, so 56MP FF.

I don't mind the improved the additional pixels because it gives more scope for cropping, improves the IQ even at smaller sizes, and allows print bigger (or any combination thereof, crop an image and still print at large sizes).



With the additional resolution I can capture an image at 70mm when I have my 24-70mm on which ideally would be shot at 150mm say but I don't have to swap lenses (or even exchange cameras to the 2nd body with the telephoto lens).

Or quite simply I can down-sample the 36MP image to 24MP and get better image quality than a native 24MP sensor can achieve.


The other thing is thing like panoramic. I love 2:1 or 3:1 aspect ratio so can end up throwing away 2/3rds of the pixels .A 3:1 panoramic from a 36MP is not that much vertical resolution at all, and typically I would want to print these large.

EDIT; another thing is stock images - you get much more money selling larger images

 

[Rojin]

You yourself have already said that it is a big waste of money cropping down, and that a D7000 makes more sense?

 

[D.P.]

You yourself have already said that it is a big waste of money cropping down, and that a D7000 makes more sense?

Ideally the D900 will come with 50+ MP


When i say it is a waste of time it is particular to my needs. I mostly shoot wildlife these days with a little landscape for pleasure, but i am doing professional paid event photography and my calender for Sept-December is filling up.

If I only shot wildlife and could never afford bigger lenses then the D71000 would be ideal and is much cheaper. But I do shoot landscapes and like to get a panoramic crop where possible, and I do shoot events where a FF camera is helping me with better noise and the option of shallower DoF when desired

I also hope to be able to buy a Nikon 500mm F/4.0 by the end of the year but that largely depends on my job situation which is increasingly getting more and more uncertain. I've had a pay cut today, so the chances are getting slimmer


Ideally a 500mm f/4 on a D800 is a dream wildlife set up, the 36MP extremely handy.

 

[And]

We could go round in circles all day on your previous statement

I've had a pay cut today, so the chances are getting slimmer

Sorry to hear it. I wouldn't wish that on anyone outside of football/politics/banking.

Ideally a 500mm f/4 on a D800 is a dream wildlife set up, the 36MP extremely handy.

My guess is you'll be wanting more fps. You may find 500mm restrictive too depending what you're shooting.

 

[jonneymendoza]

unlucy about the pay cut. just goes to show that while everything is rosey, make sure you dont waste the opportunity and enjoy life

 

[2StepSteve]

I came here to read about the 5DMK4.. lol great thread guys.

Nuke it and start again, surely?!

 

[ElDude]

dont know what TP forum or threads you visit but im an active member there and i have yet to see kids arguing over gear.

This thread reminded me why i dont really dive into this section of the forum..

You haven't read the threads on filters then

As for the 5Dmk4 it'll need to be a huge leap for me to upgrade. My camera does what I want, with the exception of the AF points in the dark. That's just annoying. Can't say I'll spend £2500 on a new camera for red AF though, so it'd better be good

Oh, and to join in on the depressing economy, I've had 7 paycuts in 8 years. It's awesome.

 

[D.P.]

I came here to read about the 5DMK4.. lol great thread guys.

Nuke it and start again, surely?!

Start again with what? There is no official or unofficial information on the 5Dmk4 to discuss, everything else is just conjecture and discussion o f possibility. One of those possibilities being the 5Dmk4 having a 42MP + sensor since it is known that Canon have conducted field trials with such sensors.

Feel free to add your own conjecture on what the 5DMK4 might bring

 

[ElDude]

You could also ponder this:

http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/hidden_camera.jpg

7DmkII or a super early 5Dmk4

{edit} oops, it helps if I link to the article, not just the photo!

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/07/the-always-hidden-camera-at-the-world-cup/

 

[D.P.]

Possibly but looks like a rain cover to me. Normally when these cameras are tested they just have all labels removed and black tape all over them.

Could be a genuine test camera, these are fielded long in advance, up to a year or more. Feedback is used to reiterate the design process.


It is completely baffling why the 7Dmk2 or D300 successor haven't been released. It is kind of like Nikon is waiting for canon and canon is waiting for Nikon so they just don't do anything.

 

[Tysonator]

Feels like the 7d mkII has been rumoured for nearly as long.

So we should have canon 750d soon, then 7dmkII then 5d mkIV?

I am waiting for release of the 7D MKII as I am keen to see what new goodies are on the camera !

It does seem that the 7D has gone a very long time as I think it was a very good camera to start with. There are other camera that seem to fill needs around the 7D market position like 700D,750D, 60D, 70D, 5D MKIII

 

[SDK^]

There isn't anything on the 5D3 which is lacking. Previously the 5D2 AF was poor so it made sense to move up.

If I had a 7D or any other xxD then the upgrade path would be a full frame 6D or used 5D3. Otherwise you are upgrading features but not image quality.

 

[Tysonator]

SDK, I think the new 7D MKII will be much better on the IQ and maybe Canon will ditch the Anti Lasing filter which has cause some controversy !

 

[2StepSteve]

Still no news on this.

I'm very anxious to see if Canon can match or beat Sony's sensors. The D750 absolutely blows away the 5DMK3 sensor in terms of ISO performance and dynamic range.

I'm heavily invested in Canon and I really wouldn't want to jump to Nikon, they are limited on the telephoto range with their lenses and ultimately the agro with moving from one system to another is large.

I'm just not sure if Canon are going to be able to pull something good out of the hat. They've been slowly slipping in terms of sensor development over the years. My gut feeling is I'm going to be left disappointed.

The wait is killing me!

 

[mr tommo]

Even if it does come and is as capable D750, you'll be paying a hell of a lot more for a 5D4.

I'd like to wait to save me swapping over but with the first wedding of the year in April next year, I can't really afford to wait. I'd rather make the change now and have 3 months to get used to the D750 at a much cheaper price.