Canon 5D MK4

Raymond Lin · 5 Dec 2014 at 17:48

mr tommo said:
Even if it does come and is as capable D750, you'll be paying a hell of a lot more for a 5D4.

I'd like to wait to save me swapping over but with the first wedding of the year in April next year, I can't really afford to wait. I'd rather make the change now and have 3 months to get used to the D750 at a much cheaper price.

Much easier than sell up and get it all again though. Give and take, £1k more for each body vs getting 8 lenses again, new flash system, remote triggers etc.

They bloody match it....

a1ex2001 · 5 Dec 2014 at 22:49

I always enjoy the talk around new body release time all the gear heads saying they will need to swap to something like the camera they have is suddenly incapable of taking the pictures they were shooting yesterday! Inevitably some will be disappointed but then I always get the impression that there is a group who will be disappointed no matter what.

I'm happy to sit back and watch my 5d mkii still takes awsome pictures and always will yes maybe I could get more focus points a little more DR and a high ISO boost but would it make a night and day difference? Not in my book moder DSLR's are all so good that any improvement is only ever going to be incremental!

Raymond Lin · 5 Dec 2014 at 22:57

a1ex2001 said:
I always enjoy the talk around new body release time all the gear heads saying they will need to swap to something like the camera they have is suddenly incapable of taking the pictures they were shooting yesterday! Inevitably some will be disappointed but then I always get the impression that there is a group who will be disappointed no matter what.

I'm happy to sit back and watch my 5d mkii still takes awsome pictures and always will yes maybe I could get more focus points a little more DR and a high ISO boost but would it make a night and day difference? Not in my book moder DSLR's are all so good that any improvement is only ever going to be incremental!

The 5DIII is capable, I would say I don't need to upgrade it, but if I would, I upgrade the sensor to have that 5 stop push/pull capability like the competition.

So.......do it Canon, please, I bet of you !

Phal · 6 Dec 2014 at 00:40

a1ex2001 said:
I always enjoy the talk around new body release time all the gear heads saying they will need to swap to something like the camera they have is suddenly incapable of taking the pictures they were shooting yesterday! Inevitably some will be disappointed but then I always get the impression that there is a group who will be disappointed no matter what.

I'm happy to sit back and watch my 5d mkii still takes awsome pictures and always will yes maybe I could get more focus points a little more DR and a high ISO boost but would it make a night and day difference? Not in my book moder DSLR's are all so good that any improvement is only ever going to be incremental!

It also depends on what you use it for I think. Some fields of photography don't demand quite as much from the camera as others.

It also comes down to the photographer though

I definitely like an upgrade lol

2StepSteve · 6 Dec 2014 at 01:51

The only major gripe I have with Nikon is their lens selection, the cupboard is bare when it comes to decent affordable telephoto lenses. That's definitely a problem for me.

The 5Dmkiii is a great camera, it will be a very capable camera for many years to come. I'm more concerned about the future of Canon within the DSLR market, it's a crucial time right now. It's sensor wars out there and Nikon are clearly winning.

Canon need to pull their finger out, basically. R&D Canon!? Obviously the decisions have already been made, all we can do is sit back, wait and watch. I just hope they are good decisions. What happens next with the 5DMK4 will either make or break Canon, if they get it wrong or miss the mark it will be the marker in their history of the start of their demise in the DSLR market. When you have a product which historically has such a long life cycle, it becomes impossible to quickly pump out a remedy, a superior model/product.

Definitely serious times for Canon, unfortunately.

D.P. · 6 Dec 2014 at 02:22

2StepSteve said:
The only major gripe I have with Nikon is their lens selection, the cupboard is bare when it comes to decent affordable telephoto lenses. That's definitely a problem for me.

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What is it canon have the Nikon don't? :confused:

Nikon have a 70-300, 80-200mm f/2.8 AF-D, 70-200mm f/2.8 and f/4.0, 300mm f/4.0 and f2.8 (and even f/2.0), 400mm f/2.8, 500/600/800mm primes, affordable 200-400mm f/4.0, 80-400mm f/5.6 plus multiplier older generations of all of these at lower prices.
Moreover, the Nikon equivalents are typically a fair whack cheaper.

Sure, canon have 400mm f/5.6 but the 300mm with 1.4TC is a great performing combo. Canon also have a very expensive 400mm f/4.0 DO which is an interesting lens but hardly mainstream or a must have lens.

Phal · 6 Dec 2014 at 02:46

D.P. said:
affordable 200-400mm f/4.0

Not really the same lens

lol

The 400mm F5.6 is the only one I seem to remember being mentioned recently as something that Nikon don't have but then again I don't really go looking.

D.P. · 6 Dec 2014 at 03:12

Phal said:
Not really the same lens lol

The 400mm F5.6 is the only one I seem to remember being mentioned recently as something that Nikon don't have but then again I don't really go looking.

It is a very similar lens, you just need to remove the camera to remove the TC.

Phal · 6 Dec 2014 at 03:24

D.P. said:
It is a very similar lens, you just need to remove the camera to remove the TC.

Still not the same is it

A regular 1.4x extender doesn't really compare to the builtin one.

D.P. · 6 Dec 2014 at 03:41

Phal said:
Still not the same is it A regular 1.4x extender doesn't really compare to the builtin one.

No it's cool and it I would be excited if future lenses took this approach but you certainly pay for it. You could more or less buy 2 of the nikons and superglue a TC to one of them

Phal · 6 Dec 2014 at 04:04

You'd still need to change lens lol

For me, the practicality of the builtin TC is great but what's equally important is the quality you get with the extender engaged. It's hard to tell when it's engaged and when it isn't if you look at the shots later and for me that's the best part.

SDK^ · 6 Dec 2014 at 08:19

Canon has white lenses with red rings, so they must be better, right?

a1ex2001 · 6 Dec 2014 at 10:12

2StepSteve said:
The only major gripe I have with Nikon is their lens selection, the cupboard is bare when it comes to decent affordable telephoto lenses. That's definitely a problem for me.

The 5Dmkiii is a great camera, it will be a very capable camera for many years to come. I'm more concerned about the future of Canon within the DSLR market, it's a crucial time right now. It's sensor wars out there and Nikon are clearly winning.

Canon need to pull their finger out, basically. R&D Canon!? Obviously the decisions have already been made, all we can do is sit back, wait and watch. I just hope they are good decisions. What happens next with the 5DMK4 will either make or break Canon, if they get it wrong or miss the mark it will be the marker in their history of the start of their demise in the DSLR market. When you have a product which historically has such a long life cycle, it becomes impossible to quickly pump out a remedy, a superior model/product.

Definitely serious times for Canon, unfortunately.

Massive exaggeration of the situation, canon still have massive market share, yes they do need to step up but it's not twist or bust time hell if they start to notice a serious sales drop they could just buy Sony sensors and instantly match nikons performance like they've just done with a compact I forget the name!

Raymond Lin · 6 Dec 2014 at 11:20

SDK^ said:
Canon has white lenses with red rings, so they must be better, right?

The girls love 'em

D.P. · 6 Dec 2014 at 14:20

SDK^ said:
Canon has white lenses with red rings, so they must be better, right?

nah, it is all about the gold bling

a1ex2001 · 6 Dec 2014 at 18:38

SDK^ said:
Canon has white lenses with red rings, so they must be better, right?

I so wish they didn't I want to replace my ancient 70-210mm f4 but I really don't want a white lens they look stupid to my eye and there is no real reason for it! If only sigma or tamron did an f4 version!

Phal · 6 Dec 2014 at 18:47

a1ex2001 said:
I so wish they didn't I want to replace my ancient 70-210mm f4 but I really don't want a white lens they look stupid to my eye and there is no real reason for it! If only sigma or tamron did an f4 version!

Buy a lenscoat or something

they do black ones

Rojin · 6 Dec 2014 at 21:00

D.P. said:
nah, it is all about the gold bling

lol, beat me to it

a1ex2001 · 6 Dec 2014 at 22:57

Phal said:
Buy a lenscoat or something they do black ones

Which look just as bad who wants a lens in a puffa jacket!

Be interesting if the offered a choice if finishes which would sell best!

Phal · 7 Dec 2014 at 00:59

a1ex2001 said:
Which look just as bad who wants a lens in a puffa jacket!

Be interesting if the offered a choice if finishes which would sell best!

Lens in a puffer jacket?

Have they started doing padded lens coats? Technically, it's more like a lens in a wetsuit since it's neoprene