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Canon 6D announced...
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One of the other biggies for the video crowd is the uncompressed 4:2:2 raw video over HDMI just Like the D800, this wipes the floor with any canon DSLR and on the d800 has apparently helped push Nikon beds not Hollywood pruction.
Canon see to want you tp buy from their new dedicate video range. Fair enough but it does mean canon is no longer the choice for amateur video types. Like wedding videographers.
This is a risky move for canon. The only reason th canon 5dmk2 sold so well was because of a high res sensor in a cheap body plus 1080p video of high quality. The Nikon d700 gave neither etc. This time round canon do not offer anything that this crowd wanted, there has been no I,prove,ent in high res sensors for the landscape/studio/architecture/macro/wildlife togs and the video capabilities are a long way behind the competitors (Sony a99 may be camera of choice, but d600 and d800 also both offer critical raw HDMI out and are compatible with classic MF Nikon lenses which have been popular at Hollywood for decades).
Canon will need to be careful not to loose market share if they are failing to support the photographers needs.
Canon see to want you tp buy from their new dedicate video range. Fair enough but it does mean canon is no longer the choice for amateur video types. Like wedding videographers.
This is a risky move for canon. The only reason th canon 5dmk2 sold so well was because of a high res sensor in a cheap body plus 1080p video of high quality. The Nikon d700 gave neither etc. This time round canon do not offer anything that this crowd wanted, there has been no I,prove,ent in high res sensors for the landscape/studio/architecture/macro/wildlife togs and the video capabilities are a long way behind the competitors (Sony a99 may be camera of choice, but d600 and d800 also both offer critical raw HDMI out and are compatible with classic MF Nikon lenses which have been popular at Hollywood for decades).
Canon will need to be careful not to loose market share if they are failing to support the photographers needs.
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Definitely the stand out feature, or lack of.
Also why no swivel screen or even the touch/swivel screen from the 650D, they can be quite useful for landscape work.
Strange feature list.
Not just that... the lack of in-built flash is totally inconvenient. Not everyone wants or needs an external flash attached at all times, and one is not always necessary to get a good shot in milder conditions. Another tick for the D600.
Its true, not even the 5DmK3 has a built in flash. Handy for emergencies and triggers, and certainly a feature for an entry level FF camera. There are plenty of people that hardy ever use a flash so rely on on board flash for emergencies.
These days they can actually be quite usable although a shame they cannot be rotated to bounce.
There was a rumors years ago that a new Nikon low end camera would have a built in flash that you could rotate upwards to point to the ceiling. Would add that little extra functionality.
Why would an amateur video type / wedding videographer care about 422 out over HDMI?
In my experience, people who care about that sort of thing buy stuff with SDI out and be done with it.
The 5DMKII became popular with Wedding videographers. The Nikon D600 and D800 both off RAW 422 over HDMI, which is huge boost to video production work.
Just like in still photography you want to work with the RAW files and not jpegs, in the video world it is no different and you want to work with the raw files.
So now the 5DMKII successor, the mkIII, no longer interests the landscape/studio/wildlife/high res crowd and no longer interests the video crowd so much. Canon will still sell boat loads because they are Cannon but if they are not careful they will loose market share in a very competitive market.
I just love the absolute nature of these comments, the real world differences bettween top spec cameras are so tiny that the pro's don't really care and to dismiss the mkiii 'as of no interest' is just simply ridiculous.
It's sad but camera hardware specs seem to become more and more important by the day while talk of actual photos is dropping off, you only have to look at the threads on here more and more of which are arguing endlessly about the number of fucus points in the latest bodies while threads with actual pictures languish on page 2.
I think this camera is aimed at people like me tbh, we currently have a canon 1000d and are looking to buy another camera, it has features that interest me and the negatives that people seem to care about on here don't really bother us!
Why would I get this and not just ditch the old one and get the D600 in its place? Well the missus will be using that one so it means we care share the lenses etc that are purchased. If we had originally bought a Nikon crop the situation would be reversed.
Don't really think this is important seeing as you can use your phone or ipad instead?
Why would I get this and not just ditch the old one and get the D600 in its place? Well the missus will be using that one so it means we care share the lenses etc that are purchased. If we had originally bought a Nikon crop the situation would be reversed.
Don't really think this is important seeing as you can use your phone or ipad instead?
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It's just as much up to you, as it is anyone else to post pictures, plenty do, but they just get lost in that god awful thread.
Secondly I just had a quick look at your post history, and all it seems you do is comment in gear threads.
Have you even ever posted a thread of a series of pictures you have taken?
Lastly, if you don't want to talk about camera spec's, it may help you don't view them in the first place.
That thread needs to go in my opinion or at least be fractured into 5 or 6 separate topics. I very very rarely look at it now, sadly it moves so fast for some reason I just lost the will to care
That thread needs to go in my opinion or at least be fractured into 5 or 6 separate topics. I very very rarely look at it now, sadly it moves so fast for some reason I just lost the will to care
Indeed it is horrible and most of the time I just don't bother looking.
I know and it annoys me that I do it as much as the fact everyone else does and to make an effort to correct that have a panned photo of a scooter in the rain using an outer point of one of the 9 on my ancient 30D with cheap as chips nifty fifty attached. While 70 cross points might be nice really we all know you can get by with far fewer.
I know it's not a great example but it's about the only thing I eveer photographed that was moving!
I'm more of a commenter on other peoples pictures rather than a poster of my own, the trouble being I'm hyper critical of my own stuff!
Definitely support the idea for tidying up the share your pictures thread and splitting it.
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I'd strongly dispute that 422 over HDMI is a 'huge boost to video production work'. Maybe it's just me, but the vast majority of video guys I work with don't care about HDMI out if they're shooting with a 5DII/III. The just dump everything to CF and import those for the edit. If they are doing a live mix and need to capture out of the camera, they don't use DSLRs, instead they'll crack out EX3s or similar.
You could make the argument that 422 over HDMI is targetted a those who need live out from the camera for live editing, but can't afford the likes of an EX3, but I'd argue that that's a fairly small segment of the market.
You're average wedding videographer almost certainly doesn't care about live HDMI out.
Anyway, video people aren't going to buy the 6D, whatever happens.
My prediction may come sooner than we think. Canon Rumors are reporting that the Canon 5D MKII is going to have some substantial price drops in the next few weeks until they're all gone. I suspect the 6D will drop to the current 5D MKII price.
Hopefully the 5D MKIII might come down to around 2k with a rumoured 3D around the 3k mark? Would be nice
The 6D isn't even going to be released in this country until next year, so I doubt its going to drop in price quite as quick as you think.
Also look at Canon's other products of late. The 600ex that replaced the 580exii has dropped just a little in price since release, but it's still far more than the previous product.
Also look at Canon's other products of late. The 600ex that replaced the 580exii has dropped just a little in price since release, but it's still far more than the previous product.
Oh I think it will.
The 5DMKII is a superb camera, but in camera terms gettting long in the tooth. I think they're moving towards this price structure
Canon 7D £1000 ish
Canon 6D £1400 ish
Canon 5DMKIII £2000 ish
Canon 1D X £5000 ish
I expect to see a camera in that gap around the £3000 mark, probably the rumoured Canon EOS 3D
As I said before, the 6D isn't released until January at £1,799, there is no way that is going to drop to £1400 by as early as Feb/March. I'm not sure why you mentioned the 5D mkii because that camera is discontinued, which is why they have now dropped the price to sell off the remaining stock.
If we look at the 5D mkiii, using the large UK retailers as a basis for price change:
Released in March at £2999.
As of October it's now at £2654.99.
It's taken roughly eight months for the price to drop.
The price of the 7D is also not likely to change much unless a 7D/70D model comes along.
If a higher mega-pixel camera is created, there is no way its going to come in at £2999 on Canon's current pricing structure.
If we look at the 5D mkiii, using the large UK retailers as a basis for price change:
Released in March at £2999.
As of October it's now at £2654.99.
It's taken roughly eight months for the price to drop.
The price of the 7D is also not likely to change much unless a 7D/70D model comes along.
If a higher mega-pixel camera is created, there is no way its going to come in at £2999 on Canon's current pricing structure.