Canon EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24mm f/4L

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I thought it was worth creating a thread about the new cameras and lens coming tomorrow as mostly everything is known now.

Canon 5DS/5DS R

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EOS 5DS Key features:

- 50.6 MP CMOS sensor with dual DIGIC 6 processors
- 150K Pixel RGB+IR Metering Sensor
- Up to 5.0 Frames Per Second
- 61-point AF
- Cropped Shooting (1.3x & 1.6x)
- EOS 5DS R also includes:

- Low-pass cancellation filter

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EF 11-24mm f/4L USM Key features:

Explore landscapes from an ultra-wide point of view
The world’s widest-angle rectilinear zoom lens
Minimal distortion – ideal for architecture and interiors
Advanced lens coatings guard against ghosting and flare
Enjoy swift, near-silent AF, with full-time manual override
Keep shooting even in tough weather conditions

- Canon EOS 5DS: €3,499
- Canon EOS 5DS R (no low-pass filter): €3,699
- Canon EF 11-24mm f/4L USM: €2,999


I am really interested to see how this performs. If the performance of this new sensor is up there with the Nikon/Sony sensors (it's rumoured that it's a Sony sensor at least in part) for dynamic range and more importantly, shadow recovery then combined with the resolution is this finally a credible, affordable digital alternative to medium format for landscape/studio photographers?
 
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Looks like my prior guess that the new canon FF body would not be a 5Dmk4 but high res bodies was right. Also hoping it gets some Sony Exmor technology to give Canon landscape togs something after all their waiting, although browsing some forums it seems every one jump per ship some time ago (before someone jumps on me I am referring only about people that want high resolution high dynamic range sensors moving to a D800/810 setup).

The camera is no more a suitable replacement for MF than the D800e or D3x was before that really. 50mp sounds big but it is a much smaller difference than the jump from 21Mp canon 5dMk2 sensor to the 36MP D800 sensor for example. You are taking about 18% more linear resolution if the lenses can keep up, which of courses gets even harder. The 50MP is the same as the new sony MF sensor resolution but the IQ is vastly different. No, the camera that makes MFD affordable is the new Pentax 645Z that uses the same incredible MF sony sensor as used in crazy prices Hasselblads. If you want an affordable MFD then you can stretch to the Pentax and get a MFD, IMO. The new high res canon cameras will be very welcome by the landscape and nature crowd. What made the D800 so popular for nature photographers is you can get your high resolution high dynamic range landscape photos and with a change of lens you then have a very power crop camera for wildlife and you can really exploit the pixel density. This canon will push the APS-C crop into the 21Mp range which will be a small but welcome jump.

It is also interesting that they have released a version with and without AA filter. Nikon dropped that because in the end the AA filter is fairly pointless at 36Mp let alone 50Mp and it just adds complexity to manufacturing, distribution, stock, marketing, firmware etc. With the D800E Nikon had to do a correcting AA filter such that the sensor height was identical between models to avoid AF issues. Will be interesting if Canon do the same thing or will leave the 2 cameras with different sensor heights [EDIT: from reading the description it seems like Canon will do what Nikon did with the D800E and have 2 AA filters but the second cancels out the first, doesn't make a big difference to final IQ]. Nikon was the first have AA-free sensor in a DSLR so I guess they thought they needed to give the option of having it, now it is accepted that it is pointless at these resolution so they don't bother at all. Even their consumer cameras are now dropping the AA filter. The AA filter actually has a reasonable cost so it is the companies best interest to save $50+ by not adding it.

The price seems a little high on these babies, a $1000 on top of the D810. Not sure where the added cost is; build quality looks similar and speed is slower than the D810.




The 11-24mm f/4 is what is really exciting IMO. The other issue that has made Canon landscape togs give in to a D800 is canon still don't have an UWA lens that can keep up with the Nikon 14-24. If this new 11-24 is close then hopefully it will make Canon very compelling for landscape and architecture togs again. 11mm on FF is insanely wide.
 
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Canon EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R Press Release

Canon revolutionises resolution with the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R
London, UK, 6 February 2015 – Canon today transforms the EOS system with the arrival of the EOS 5DS and the EOS 5DS R – a new breed of ultra-high resolution full-frame DSLRs.

Breaking the boundaries of 35mm sensors,the new cameras offer the highest megapixels ever seen in a full frame sensor, an astonishing 50.6MP. Delivering unparalleled quality, the cameras provide an exceptional combination of resolution, responsiveness and durability, whether shooting landscapes, architecture, high fashion or portraiture, either personally or professionally. When nothing but the sharpest image is expected, the EOS 5DS R also features a low pass cancellation filter to maximise the sensor’s resolution and visible image quality.Alongside the new DSLRs, Canon also introduces the EF 11-24mm f/4L USM, the world’s widest-angle rectilinear zoom lens(1), the perfect companion for landscape and architecture photographers.

Establishing new standards for full-frame DSLRs
Setting a new benchmark for full-frame cameras, the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R combine fast, instinctive DSLR handling with the newly-developed 50.6MP CMOS sensor, providing the flexibility to shoot a wide range of scenes and subjects, making it ideal for large format mediums, such as advertising billboards and magazine covers, where every pixel matters. The sensor’s advanced architecture provides

ISO 100-6400 sensitivity, further expandable to 50-12800, ensuring high quality images with low noise, accurate colours and wide dynamic range. For added flexibility, the cameras’ resolution enables three new in-camera crop shooting modes–1.3x, 1.6x and 1:1. Visible through the viewfinder, the crop modes deliver outstanding results, with stills at 19 MP even when cropped to 1.6x. Built to withstand the most demanding shoots, the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R’s dual DIGIC 6 processors provide the rapid performance and responsiveness required to deliver first-class images with exceptional colour reproduction. Both processors are designed to comfortably manage huge levels of image data from the 50.6MP sensor, whilst simultaneously reducing image noise and providing the freedom to shoot at five frames per second.

Automatically exceptional
Created to ensure every detail of your exquisite landscape or high-fashion studio shoot is in focus, the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS Rfeature an advanced 61-point AF system, with 41 cross-type points, delivering incredible levels of image sharpness and accuracy across the frame. Both cameras comfortably maintain focus with moving subjects, using EOS Intelligent Tracking and Recognition AF (iTR) to track both faces and colour. To reduce image blur, Canon’s Mirror Vibration Control System uses cams to drive the cameras’ mirror up and down in a highly controlled fashion, avoiding all sudden stops and softening the shutter-release sound. Additionally, the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R’s 150k pixel RGB+IR metering sensor with Flicker Detection ensures images can be captured with consistent and accurate exposures under varying lighting scenarios, including florescent.

Incredible detail and unrestricted creativity
Putting unrivalled image quality at your fingertips, the EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R include a number of customisable modes and settings to ensure stunning results every time. A new Fine Detail Picture Style maximises the level of detail that can be achieved from the sensor, enabling advanced sharpness adjustment without the need for edit ing software. Popular creative modes, including Multiple Exposure and HDR, provide instant, in-camera creativity, while a built-in timer allows you to shoot over long periods and create stunning time lapse videos, without being tied to the camera or needing advanced software and excessive kit.

First-class professional construction, customisable features
The EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R have been expertly constructed to allow you to operate quickly, regardless of the environment you’re shooting in. The 100% viewfinder with electronic overlay makes framing vital shots easy and can be customised to your preferred style. The large, 8.11cm (3.2”) Clear View II LCD screen, with an anti-reflective structure, minimises reflection or glare when reviewing shots and also acts as a visual and accessible dashboard of the most commonly used settings. The cameras’ new Custom Quick Control screen means that the type, size and position of icons are also easily customisable to the user or shooting scenario. Both cameras utilise Canon’s iconic design DNA–a highly durable body constructed from high-grade magnesium alloy to provide weather resilient shooting – ideal for landscape photographers who are dedicated to getting the perfect shot, whatever the weather.

EOS 5DS R: Engineered for the ultimate in DSLR image quality
When nothing but the absolute maximum level of detail possible will do, the EOS 5DS R features a low pass cancellation filter to ensure the sharpest possible results. Great for landscape photographers, where patterns are very often organic, the camera’s low pass cancellation filter produces the stunning level of detail required to turn agreat shot into an incredible shot.

Optical Expertise: Introducing the EF 11-24mm f/4L USM
The EOS 5DS and EOS 5DS R are compatible with Canon’s extensive EF lens range, spanning 71 models(2). Today Canon unveils the world’s widest-angle retilinearzoom lens (1), the EF 11-24mm f/4L USM. Perfect for photographers shooting landscape and architecture, the EF 11-24mm f/4L USM is designed to open up an entirely new world of creative opportunities, thanks to its super wide 11-24mm focal range. Boasting a newly designed optical structure, the lens features three aspherical lenses including a ground aspherical element, which maximises image quality and delivers minimal levels of distortion, while the body is rugged and robust enough to be employed in extreme weather conditions.

EOS 5DS Key features:

50.6 MP CMOS sensor with dual DIGIC 6 processors
150K Pixel RGB+IR Metering Sensor
Up to 5.0 Frames Per Second
61-point AF
Cropped Shooting
EOS 5DS R also includes:

Low-pass cancellation filter
 
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As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!

Same old awful shadow recovery then!
 
Along side, I think they are splitting their line again, like Sony with A7 and A7S and A7R.

There will be a 5D4 to replace the 5D3.

Ah thanks, I hadn't really been following the hardware and this just popped up on me and noticed one of the importers had dropped the price on the 5D3 body to £1550ish. I thought it must then be a replacement and it was time to start watching the prices :D

Is the 5d4 due this year too?
 
£2800 for the f4 lens seems a lot.
It's pretty much a lens for serious landscape and interior pro's.
If you need ultra wide like this then the 12-24 Sigma (Full Frame) is pretty cheap and decent enough.

The 87mm front element on the Canon 11-24 is huge, makes the Nikon 14-24 look like a toy :p

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Next to a Canon 24-70 F2.8 MKII

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Same old awful shadow recovery then!

Very disappointing if true.
It is the combination of high dynamic range, color depth, high ISO quality as well as the high resolution that makes the Sony exmor 36Mp sensors so compelling.

Sure it might stand up very well against the D810 at ISO 6400 but that isn't why you shoot 50MP. If the DR stays the same I don't think it will stop people moving to a Nikon D810 or Sony A7r/A7rII/A9, especially at these price points.

Hope its wrong.
 
Ah thanks, I hadn't really been following the hardware and this just popped up on me and noticed one of the importers had dropped the price on the 5D3 body to £1550ish. I thought it must then be a replacement and it was time to start watching the prices :D

Is the 5d4 due this year too?

There were some rumours about March but my bet is earliest would be photokina in September. I wouldn't at all be surprised until a release early next year though.
 
Seen the price of a 600mm f/4.0?

11-24mm is groundbreaking stuff and is a massive advancement in optical design. If it has the resolution it is worth every penny.

Yeah the 600mm is 3x the cost but you get a nice big lens for the money :)

Joking apart I appreciate the 11-24 could be good but I still think it's overpriced, without already knowing the price I would have guessed you'd be looking at £1999
 
3k for a wide angle is insane.

to this day nothing has beaten my 70-200's IQ.

the 24-70mk2 comes close enough but thats priced similar to the 70-200.
 
Joking apart I appreciate the 11-24 could be good but I still think it's overpriced, without already knowing the price I would have guessed you'd be looking at £1999

3k for a wide angle is insane.
I think you are missing the point - the 11-24 isn't aimed at the average Joe who wants an UWA lens to take a few landscapes whilst out on holiday.

It weighs 1.2kg, has a massive fluorine coated front element and shows no distortion at 11mm. It's a very special UWA lens aimed at Pro's only.
 
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