Canon EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24mm f/4L

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Jase said:
Yeah the 600mm is 3x the cost but you get a nice big lens for the money :)

Joking apart I appreciate the 11-24 could be good but I still think it's overpriced, without already knowing the price I would have guessed you'd be looking at £1999
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Might point was F-number is kind of irrelevant in determining a price of a lens, otherwise the nifty fifty would be extremely expensive.

The size of the front element, i.e absolute aperture is a big factor on the super telrs, otherwise it is mostly about Lenz complexity. How many aspherical elements, flourite, super low dispersion, number of elements, number of groups. I believe the bolbous front element of the Nikon 14-24mm is ground down by hand, possible the same for this new canon.

There is also a supply and demand factor. These special lenses get sold in small quantities which then entails if her price points for components and things like hsnd-ground glass becuase it isn't worth building a machine to do it.


UWA zooms are the most complex type of lens there is. Fast primes and teles are far easier.
 
A sample image taken with a Canon 11-24 @ 11mm

No distortion much :D

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jonneymendoza said:
none of the L lenses are aimed at the average joe and yet priced half of the amount of this said lens.
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There are many Canon L lenses aimed at the average photog. The new 16-35 F4 L IS being one along with many others - 100-400, 70-200 F4, 17-40L. the list goes on.

Then you have the super L's; the Fast primes - 50 and 85 F1.2's, the 400mm+ Telephotos and a selection of wide primes. The 11-24 is just another .
 
SDK^ said:
There are many Canon L lenses aimed at the average photog. The new 16-35 F4 L IS being one along with many others - 100-400, 70-200 F4, 17-40L. the list goes on.

Then you have the super L's; the Fast primes - 50 and 85 F1.2's, the 400mm+ Telephotos and a selection of wide primes. The 11-24 is just another .
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I have super L lenses and they only cost half the price of this 11-24 which s my point

my point is this, This UWA lens is priced at 3k?

That is insane for what it is. its not a fast prime like a 600mm . it is a zoom at the UWA angle and at f4 stop only.
 
jonneymendoza said:
I have super L lenses and they only cost half the price of this 11-24 which s my point

my point is this, This UWA lens is priced at 3k?

That is insane for what it is. its not a fast prime like a 600mm . it is a zoom at the UWA angle and at f4 stop only.
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Zooms are more complex and more expensive to make than primes.
UWA are more complex and more expensive to make than telephoto lenses.
The lens is just as fast as the 600mm prime.


I don;t think you realize how complex it is to design a lens that goes to 11m, covers the entire FF and offers professional IQ. This lens makes the 70-200mm look like a cheap toy in terms of design complexity.
 
D.P. said:
Zooms are more complex and more expensive to make than primes.
UWA are more complex and more expensive to make than telephoto lenses.
The lens is just as fast as the 600mm prime.


I don;t think you realize how complex it is to design a lens that goes to 11m, covers the entire FF and offers professional IQ. This lens makes the 70-200mm look like a cheap toy in terms of design complexity.
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Got a link that says that?

So you are saying this lens is more harder to make then almost every single L lens bar the 600mm?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Got a link that says that?

So you are saying this lens is more harder to make then almost every single L lens bar the 600mm?
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What he's saying is correct - UWA lenses are extremely hard to make, especially with very low edge distortion and high edge sharpness like the 11-24.

You need to hold and use this lens. It's effectively 1.2kg of the highest end, optical glass you will probably find anywhere.
The lens features the world's largest round front Aspherical element, as well as the world's largest molded aspherical lens element behind the front element. The lens features a fluorine coating at the front as well as the rear of the lens.

It is not your average high end UWA - it's the best out there !!
 
SDK^ said:
What he's saying is correct - UWA lenses are extremely hard to make, especially with very low edge distortion and high edge sharpness like the 11-24.

You need to hold and use this lens. It's effectively 1.2kg of the highest end, optical glass you will probably find anywhere.
The lens features the world's largest round front Aspherical element, as well as the world's largest molded aspherical lens element behind the front element. The lens features a fluorine coating at the front as well as the rear of the lens.

It is not your average high end UWA - it's the best out there !!
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Sounds like a wet dream. I'll buy it when it comes out and sell my 16 35
 
Andy90 said:
Love the 11-24mm, a lot of Landscape Photographers will be drooling over that.
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I guess Canon are just doing their part to spread the misery! No point in making just the Wildlife/Sports photographers pay several thousands of pounds for a good lens when you can get that from Landscape shooters too! :P

Why can't good things be cheaper :(
 
SDK^ said:
A sample image taken with a Canon 11-24 @ 11mm

No distortion much :D

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Thats mighty impressive if thats straight from camera. I'm so used to seeing distortion at that focal length my eyes are trying to add it in :D

The two light grey boarders going around the bench area would be curved with any other UWA, and like raymond said, the trees are all straight and line up.

Impressive stuff...and i use nikon :p
 
FAO : Everyone complaining about the cost of this lens.
Nikon launched a 13mm F5.6 in 1979 at a cost of $8,229, or over $24,000 in today's dollars. :eek:

Makes this Canon look like the Bargain of a century :p
 
It's also RRP. I'm putting a bet on it being £2200 this time next year (assuming it's released shortly... Otherwise a year after release). Still expensive but not that bad, especially if you import as it will easily be under £2k.

It looks like a stunning lens!
 
SDK^ said:
FAO : Everyone complaining about the cost of this lens.
Nikon launched a 13mm F5.6 in 1979 at a cost of $8,229, or over $24,000 in today's dollars. :eek:

Makes this Canon look like the Bargain of a century :p
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i was going to post something similar
 
What is the point of the one with the low pass filter???

It seems the target audience of this camera is studio or landscape where there are lots of light or you can control the light. You buy this for the high res and sharpness.

So why offer one with the low pass filter?! Clearly it's not a camera design for video.
 
Both the 5DS and the 5DR have a low pass filter. It is exactly the same sensor. The 5DR however 'self' cancels the effects.

The 5DR will have a greater resolution than the 5DS but will exhibit more Moire patterns on certain things such as closely woven/patterned cloth or certain patterns in nature.

Whether or not you like the Moire interference or can put up with it is subjective. That's why Canon allow you to purchase option A or Option B - same thing that Nikon did with the D800 and D800E.

Pentax solved this problem a few years ago by having a sensor with no low pass filter and then utilising the in camera IS to mimic the effects of having a low pass filter to reduce Moire if you wanted to.
 
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