Car Purchasing - ITR DC5 vs S2000

TomO · 8 Mar 2006 at 08:39

Will votes for the DC5 then?

volospian · 8 Mar 2006 at 13:35

The_Dark_Side said:
sorry but that means nothing at all,just saying "they know about cars"
take some of the subjects that come up in here regularly,life-off oversteer for example.pretty much everyone (including sub 20 y/o drivers with litlle experience) that replies in a thread understands what it is,what causes it and how to rectify it.
HOWEVER,do you really think that those same drivers would recognise the same symptoms and react appropriately?
i'd bet heavily that would be a resounding NO.
being able to understand something when you have all the time in the world and no pressure is one thing,remembering and acting on the same knowledge when your about to be paddling up poo creek without a paddle is a different story.

True. I know the theory of oposite lock and so on, but actually driving the Gt6C is a different matter. I haven't spun it yet but a few times it has snapped the back end out and caught me off guard giving me a few palpitations and rapidly waking me up (I've had the Gt6C step out at 20mph in the dry on a roundabout with a bad camber change).

If your reactions aren't fast enough, you can easily end up in a sticky situation and if the back end doesn't go unless you are really on the edge then the window to correct it in may well be too small and you'll find yourself kissing a tree or something.

For an example of how easily things can get hairy when the back end goes I was driving the Stag in a damp drizzley type rain and my rear tyres were in a sorry state. I was miles away thinking about something at work and I turned right at a junction. I crossed the road fine, but the traction just went as I came on to the new road and, as I wasn't concentrating at all, the next thing I know I was snaking around on the wrong side of the road. Luckily there wasn't anything coming but if there had been traffic waiting to pull onto the road I had just left, there would have been a bit of a mess.

In my defence, the power steering on the Stag is a bit vague to say the least. If I had had more feedback through the steering I may have been able to react quicker. That doesn't excuse the cardinal sin of letting complacancy get the better of you and, without thinking, giving it a bit of gas when there is too little grip

Too much peddle, not enough grip and nowhere near enough concentration can be a real nightmare in a rwd car

willd58 · 8 Mar 2006 at 15:10

Id say S2000 and some hardcore driver training courses, because im not a good enough driver to get the most out of one atm.

Randell Floyd · 8 Mar 2006 at 15:37

Well another suprising car has popped up, will post new thread

Del Lardo · 8 Mar 2006 at 15:38

The_Dark_Side said:
sorry but that means nothing at all,just saying "they know about cars"
take some of the subjects that come up in here regularly,life-off oversteer for example.pretty much everyone (including sub 20 y/o drivers with litlle experience) that replies in a thread understands what it is,what causes it and how to rectify it.
HOWEVER,do you really think that those same drivers would recognise the same symptoms and react appropriately?
i'd bet heavily that would be a resounding NO.
being able to understand something when you have all the time in the world and no pressure is one thing,remembering and acting on the same knowledge when your about to be paddling up poo creek without a paddle is a different story.

The man speaketh the truth. I've owned my car for over a year and thought I understood how to control it on the limit. I thought incorrectly.

merlin · 8 Mar 2006 at 16:18

I've only ever seen an S2000 driven properly once.

Best Motoring f t w :cool:

The_Dark_Side · 8 Mar 2006 at 18:00

willd58 said:
Id say S2000 and some hardcore driver training courses, because im not a good enough driver to get the most out of one atm.

while i'd agree with that in principle,i'd strongly oppose it if you mean attending courses will allow you to get the most out of a car like this on the road.
cars like this should under no circumstances be driven at anywhere near their full potential on a public highway.
they are THAT good,it's as simple as that and if a driver is driving a car like that near it's capabilities anywhere but a track then they're irresponsible.

Del Lardo said:
The man speaketh the truth. I've owned my car for over a year and thought I understood how to control it on the limit. I thought incorrectly.

i read your thread and admired your honesty.....but i'm not going to do the "i told you so" thing as it's counter productive and childish.

ner ner

(j/k)

The_Dark_Side · 8 Mar 2006 at 18:01

Will Gill said:
stupid cars with stupid engines, buy something decent like an elise or if hardtop is your fancy an m3. Cant sum up enough how utterly toilet an s2000 is, useless engine which you have to spend thousands on to get a 5hp power increase.

walk away

ok you got me.
sarcasm or not? i honestly can't tell.

thebrasso · 8 Mar 2006 at 18:30

From what I've read before Will Gill has had some seriously fast cars in his time..I guess he just didn't like the power delivery of a VTEC engine. Or compared to a few things he has had (such as a Supra IIRC) it wasn't as quick.

Bear · 8 Mar 2006 at 18:47

The_Dark_Side said:
ok you got me.
sarcasm or not? i honestly can't tell.

Aye as thebrasso says, I think hes being totally serious especially seeing as he owned an s2000

James_N · 8 Mar 2006 at 19:04

Will has owned one but i guess it just isnt his thing. Personally im a great fan of VTEC engines and Honda's in general. Im going to flog my CTR and run around in the beater for 18 months or so untill i can afford to insure an S2000 sensibly then im gonna go for one :cool:

[TW]Fox · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:21

Will Gill is deadly serious, he hated his S2000.

happytechie · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:27

James_N said:
Will has owned one but i guess it just isnt his thing. Personally im a great fan of VTEC engines and Honda's in general. Im going to flog my CTR and run around in the beater for 18 months or so untill i can afford to insure an S2000 sensibly then im gonna go for one

make sure you test drive an elise!

are lotus putting the VX220 engine in the elise yet?

James_N · 8 Mar 2006 at 20:37

happytechie said:
make sure you test drive an elise!

Dont really like them

geiger · 8 Mar 2006 at 21:36

ITR will be more practical so get the s2000

Is this your first rwd?

as I wasn't concentrating at all

Totally agree, just dont let your guard down and your'll be fine

Will Gill · 9 Mar 2006 at 00:55

The_Dark_Side said:
ok you got me.
sarcasm or not? i honestly can't tell.

deadly serious matey

the vtec engine is pathetic and the s2000 was truely an awful car, cannot understand the fanbase/fanboys total waste of money imo

JediFragger · 9 Mar 2006 at 00:58

merlin said:
I've only ever seen an S2000 driven properly once.

Best Motoring f t w

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The_Dark_Side · 9 Mar 2006 at 01:00

Will Gill said:
deadly serious matey

the vtec engine is pathetic and the s2000 was truely an awful car, cannot understand the fanbase/fanboys total waste of money imo

i must admit that while i really admire what Honda have done with Vtec,it doesn't suit my style of driving.
i have to agree that by it's very nature,Vtec doesn't even lend itself to tuning easily either.
but what about the rest of the car though?

geiger · 9 Mar 2006 at 01:21

Sounds like you would have preferred the american version they did of the car, Will Gill.
Even keeping the revs above 5k all the time, it was no good ?

Fr0dders · 9 Mar 2006 at 01:46

James_N said:
Dont really like them

how about the exige

stunningly beautifull car !