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MrLOL said:
thats not that bad then.

its the brand new motor just out, so its bound to be expensive. If he likes owning new cars and is quite content at paying £19k for an 1.4 astra then theres not much you can do to persude him otherwise.
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Not trying to persuade him. Like you say, it's his choice. I just think it's pretty poor of a main dealer to take people for a ride like that, but then if people are willing to pay then why wouldn't they do it. *shrug*
 
monkey_boy said:
He's not asked for advice, so why push it on him? Normal people don't go around telling people that they've done it all wrong and should've done it differently.
He's happy with his purchase and is taking delivery of it today. How is telling him he's dumb and could have done it better going to help? He'd do what the vast majority of people do and shrug and say 'oh well' and do it anyway, but just feel a bit more down about it.
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If a nice guy at my work was doing something so stupid I'd actually help the guy find a better deal or show him on paper why the deal is so bad.

A guy at my old workplace did a similar thing with a civic type R. I didn't put him down or even post on the internet to tell everyone how dumb he was I helped him. I asked him how he feel if I saved him 4k. He said he's be over the moon. I found him a deal on a better car without him getting ripped off so much.

He bought me dinner and a pint as a thankyou. You can help someone without making them feel an idiot.
 
A mate of mine rang me up the other day to come look over an A3 at a car supermarket for him. I came, I grabbed him before he came near to signing anything, and left.

He said he only went in to look round because he was bored, but the salesman made him take an A3 for a drive.
(Which was knackered, smoked in, fag burns, alloys all curbed, dents and scratches everywhere, rear windscreen smashed and replaced without clearing old glass.) It was 9.5k and worth no more than 7.5k.
 
monkey_boy said:
Not trying to persuade him. Like you say, it's his choice. I just think it's pretty poor of a main dealer to take people for a ride like that, but then if people are willing to pay then why wouldn't they do it. *shrug*
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they all do it mate

My dad was caught by the main dealer quoting flat rate to him instead of APR.

i only noticed what APR it was when i added up all the monthy payments and worked it back.

He got 4 % flat which he thought was good at the time (this was pre recession when interest was about that) but the actual APR was over 9 % which wasnt anywhere near as good.

he'd already signed and sealed it by then, so was too late. But this was JCT600 mazda, so again another main dealer, and JCT600 dont even have that bad a reputation i dont think.
 
I'm looking into new car territory at the minute as one of my options to replacing my dying car, haven't committed to going to an actual dealer yet to be pedalled with b.s. but I will report back any strange findings or offers I get, lol.

and...

Astra 1.4 Turbo
No Alloys
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Why spend that much money on a car, only to be let down in the looks department with the wheels?
 
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Mucky_Pup said:
I'm looking into new car territory at the minute as one of my options to replacing my dying car, haven't committed to going to an actual dealer yet to be pedalled with b.s. but I will report back any strange findings or offers I get, lol.

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Why spend that much money on a car, only to be let down in the looks department with the wheels?
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I think you'll be pedalled bs wherever you go tbh. Places like here and PH can be REALLY useful for (usually) objective opinions about cars. Have you posted a spec me a car thread yet?

I genuinely don't think the guy is interested in alloy wheels in the slightest. The only reason he should have them IMO is for when he comes to sell it.
 
dannyjo22 said:
If a nice guy at my work was doing something so stupid I'd actually help the guy find a better deal or show him on paper why the deal is so bad.

A guy at my old workplace did a similar thing with a civic type R. I didn't put him down or even post on the internet to tell everyone how dumb he was I helped him. I asked him how he feel if I saved him 4k. He said he's be over the moon. I found him a deal on a better car without him getting ripped off so much.

He bought me dinner and a pint as a thankyou. You can help someone without making them feel an idiot.
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I'm not putting him down, the thread is more about what dealers can and do get away with yet the customer can still leave perfectly happy. :)
 
monkey_boy said:
Indeed. No-one has said much to him, just let him enjoy his massively expensive new car. He's a nice enough guy and isn't professing to having a great deal or it being the most amazingest car in the world, so may as well just let him be to be honest.
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I once read a quote along the following lines:

"Those who can take action, have the responsibility to take action."

In other words, you can stop this guy making a serious mistake. If he ignores you, then that's his fault.

IMHO of course, and with the greatest of respect.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
In other words, you can stop this guy making a serious mistake.
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Is it a serious mistake though? It's a serious expense of cash, that I wouldnt personally do, but mistake?

If nobody bought cars at these silly prices, the dealers would pretty soon be out of business.

That said, if he's earning £12-13k per year, then yes its a pretty serious mistake! :p

£20,000 and no alloy wheels. Before buying this car he should take £1000 out of the bank in £10 notes, and count it 20 times, and see if he really feels as if the car is worth that much money!
 
matt_fsr said:
£20,000 and no alloy wheels.
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No doubt the guy doesn't view it that way. He views it as a monthly payment for a few years. And in return he gets a rather **** car. But clearly he's only buying it for the number plate and the fresh coat of paint.
 
matt_fsr said:
Is it a serious mistake though? It's a serious expense of cash, that I wouldnt personally do, but mistake?

If nobody bought cars at these silly prices, the dealers would pretty soon be out of business.

That said, if he's earning £12-13k per year, then yes its a pretty serious mistake! :p

£20,000 and no alloy wheels. Before buying this car he should take £1000 out of the bank in £10 notes, and count it 20 times, and see if he really feels as if the car is worth that much money!
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He earns a decent wage, has a house but no mortgage and has quite a lot of disposable income. I do think he sees it more as a monthly figure rather than actually spending £20k on a car. Having said all this, I'm not sure he could get a better deal by getting a personal loan. He had trouble getting the finance because he's never had any credit before. He says that they asked him for an extra £500 deposit. I thought that this was just a fee, but apparantly it's brought his monthly payments down so it does just look like its a bigger deposit.
 
make the point to him, that he's paying nearly 20k in total, and would he like you to save him some money on a better car

if he doesnt want another car, and isnt interested in the overall picture, leave him to it. Its not that bad a deal. Its just a lot of money for not a lot of car, but thats what they cost new.
 
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