Cat abuse - Kenny Glenn

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lowrider007 said:
It's not about being convinced I'm right, I know I'm right, and the following is what I'm right about.
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1) The number one killer in western society today is Heart disease.
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Can't argue with that one.


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2) The number one reason why so many people are getting heart disease is becuase of meat in their diets.
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No, it is because of high levels of fat and low levels of exercise. Plenty of very healthy people eat plenty of meat and don't suffer from heart disease.


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3) The meat industry as a whole causes the most destruction upon the environment above any other industry in the world.


4) The meat industry causes the highest amount of global warming above any other industry in the world.
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Quite subjective really as it is actually very hard to quantify "environmental damage". Generating electricity is probably right up there after all. Not to mention that "the meat industry" generally means farming and quite a bit of that damage would be there even if we all went vegie.

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5) The meat industry slaughters millions upon millions of animals every year.
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Pretty much a given, it is after all the purpose of the industry. However the animals would not exist at all if the industry didn't exist.

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6) There are still many cases where these animals are not kept in healthy conditions.
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Which is why it is better to buy meat from better sources. UK meat for example has much higher animal welfare legislation. A lot of it also comes down to your personal thoughts on animals. Personally I see food animals as there to provide a purpose and so do not expect them to live the pampered life a pet does.

lowrider007 said:
You can tell me whatever you like, but nothing you can say can make me believe that meat in this day and age is needed and that the negatives it has on our environment and health are worthwhile trade off's just so people can enjoy the taste of meat when you can survive without it perfectly fine.
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And I happen to disagree with you. I really do like the taste of meat and do not find your reasons compelling enough to give up.
 
vaultingSlinky said:
That is incorrect, your paraphrasing that vegetarian website which is unfairly using a canadian review article . In this paper they looked at how healthy vegetarians with a well planned diet (I.e. a healthy balanced diet) and compared it with the average diet of all meat eaters (see the flaws yet?). Of course that review was going to find that the vegetarians were more healthy. Other sources from that website include a book in which advice was given that inadvertantly led to around 10,000 cot deaths (reliable sources? I think not) The major causes of cardiovascular disease are tobacco use, physical inactivity, and an unhealthy diet. [WHO website] Not eating meat.
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I wouldn't bother arguing, he's ignored anyone who has pointed out the flaws in his reasoning.
 
I can't understand the reason to hurt some thing so innocent as a cat, the worst thing I ever did to our cats was push it off my lap after it wouldn't stop clawing me. I love all animals especially cats and it really hurts to hear it yelping like that for help. I am very glad I just listened to the news and didn't watch the video as it would have really upset me.
 
chrisd said:
I wouldn't bother arguing, he's ignored anyone who has pointed out the flaws in his reasoning.
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TBH mate I don't care any more, just because other people can articulate themselves better than I can doesn't make them right, It's a case of simple truth vs intelligent misinformation, the same crap went on for years with regards to people that didn't believe in global warming.

The fact is we don't need to eat meat, it is the most environmentally destructive industry in the world, and yes, lack of exercise is a big reason why a lot of people have heart disease, but the reason why these people need to exercise more is becuase of eating excess amounts of meat in the first place, it's the fat's that are contained within meat products that are the most damaging for us and cause heart disease.
 
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lowrider007 said:
the same crap went on for years with regards to people that didn't believe in global warming.

The fact is we don't need to eat meat, it is the most environmentally destructive industry in the world, and yes, lack of exercise is a big reason why a lot of people have heart disease, but the reason why these people need to exercise more in the first place is becuase of eating excess amounts of meat in the first place, it's the fat's that are contained within meat products that are the most damaging for us and cause heart disease.
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The same crap still goes on with global warming, I hate it when people moan about that.

''The fact is we don't need to eat meat''

The fact is, you don't need a high end pc to survive, not heating in your home, nor a tv, etcetc...
You really need to understand that ''want'' is important for people.
 
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snowdog said:
You really need to understand that ''want'' is important for people.
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But surely 'want' is one of the fundamental problems of society, we act on our wants far more then we need to. More people need to live their life by doing what is right over what they purely want to do. People that have been rated as the greatest evil in society worked on the principle of satisfying their want rather than doing what was right.

More people need to think about what they need over what they want, you will never be able to satisfy all your wants but most people when achieve what they need to survive.
 
I know the cat abuse video is bad but the video below will probably get removed. I don't think animal cruelty gets worse than this.

WARNING - VERY DISTURBING VIDEO and you will not forget this for the rest of your life. It stays in your memory. Animals skinned alive. How humans can do this I really don't know. They obviously have no souls. Again only the mentally strong should see this.

The only reason the animal isn't killed before it gets skinned is because its easier to remove the skin while the animal is still warm and moving. Also, when the furs are shipped to the US they are mixed in with the furs that were taken in a less horrible fashion. So there is no way to to make sure that the fur your wearing is clean.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoIbQjAARE
 
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hope he gets whats coming too him

not only is he harming a defenceless animal but by posting it on you tube he seems as though hes proud of it and showing off. scum

i was actually expecting that video to be worse but he is still scum and the cat is still obviously not happy at all :(

if i filmed us showering our cat after it got itself covered in paint it would look quite similar to some of that :o
 
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That kid deserves to be tortured, just like they did to that cat. My family has several animals at the moment, most usual pets (e.g. cats + dogs) are loyal and will protect their owner. To treat animals like that deserves corporal punishment.
 
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