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CES 2025 AMD & Nvidia Keynote Live Chat [06/01/25]
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The whole "it will release sometime in Q1" and the way the YouTube channels are reading from a different script,makes me wonder whether RDNA4 had some last minute problems!
The only problem was Nvidia didn't present first so they could just do their $50 price drop compared to Nvidia comparable card. Poor show all round from AMD really and really showing how silly they have all become now, even AMD that we hoped would behave, but like all companies they all show their true colours in time.
They have the CPUs and APUs as they know so can behave in this manner and don't even care to compete at the moment with Nvidia as they have their hands full with Intel's disasters that are keeping them ahead in the CPU/APU market and trying to make hay while the sun is shining, once Intel wakes up again in the CPU market and maybe even in the discrete GPU market they will again play they are there for their customers blaa blaa that they always pull when they are behind and can't compete..
Tired of the whole industry and their silly games and they think their customers are stupid and walking wallets now for products that are clearly overpriced and AMD loves to show how overpriced they are once they slash the prices with anything that has an AMD chip in it by the end of the year. Nvidia just thinks its Apple now and never lowers the price and just plays shortages games to inflate the prices all the time now and selling FOMO, while their warehouses are full of stock and drip fed onto the market when they see a demand, once no demand, suddenly huge stocks appear out of nowhere ..
Honestly the only people to blame is the people falling for the FOMO and these games, once people keep their wallets in their pockets, we may get back to some normality again and real pricing and before anyone screams these cost more to make blaa blaa, so why can AMD and other companies slash their prices on a product to almost 50% of the RRP in less than a year and was very normal for products to go down in 12 months now they go up for Nvidia and AMD on certain products.... Sales are all fake these days and retailers are also part of the problem and only sit watching each others prices and matching or reducing by £1-5... for a £1000 + product.. then suddenly the same product ends up £500 and less on some magical promotion or sale for a few days then goes up more than £1000 again and then sits there for a few days/weeks like that and then again crashes to less than half the price.
It has become weird buying anything PC/Tech related these days and no wonder people are getting fed up and having buyers remorse within weeks of buying the same product for almost double the price.. Yes tech products devalue quickly normally and that is to be expected but prices bouncing up and down by double is not normal and honestly they are damaging the whole buyers experience and leaving a bad taste in a lot of their customers mouths, especially the ones having issues too with their products or poor customer support... ASUS.... being a good example and many more like them.
Ok rant mode off and lets see what Nvidia throws at us in the next few hours and lets see how much respect they have for their customers with their new products and pricing.
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Soldato
Seeing the specs of the 5070Ti with it's DDR7 I have suspicion it's going to wipe the floor with the 9070XT. The rumoured specs have it as having twice the cores, circa 50% more memory bandwidth, DLSA 4 and improved ray tracing. AMD are saying RDNA 4 brings 'improved' ray tracing, well that kinda of implies an incremental improvement say 10%-30%. Well looking at how much RDNA 3 performance falls away when lot's of RT is turned on AMD needs to double or treble it's RT performance.
If any of that is the case it's no wonder AMD decided to not bother with a detailed RDNA 4 presentation.
If any of that is the case it's no wonder AMD decided to not bother with a detailed RDNA 4 presentation.
What price do you think the 5070ti will be?
Associate
More than you think it ought to be ! £1000
Caporegime
Exactly this. Sadly companies think once anything is labelled as "gaming" they can carte blanche jack up pricing.
The RX9070XT is meant to be a mainstream dGPU with a smaller die. It is an RTX5060TI or RTX5070 competitor. The fact they can't even tell us properly when it be announced,let alone released,is concerning.
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£50 more than the 9070XT
That'll either be a very expensive 9070xt or cheap 5070ti.
And what would be the price for 5070ti ? , think it's the 5070 that's the competitor for 9070xt
Soldato
Maybe AMD could announce a new tech which enables you to utilise your AMD GPU with an Nvidia GPU.
Want FSR4 with RTX? Then buy Radeon!
Want FSR4 with RTX? Then buy Radeon!
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Waiting for your competition to release their prices and trying to undercut them is pretty much the opposite of price fixing lol.
AMD just don't get that their products are not 10% less attractive to punters so their 10% off strategy doesn't work. They need at least a 25% discount to equivalent nvidia raster performance products to make a dent.
Last gen Nvidia originally wanted $900 for what ended up being the 4070ti, 12gb vram on the 3rd tier die so a 5070ti on the 2nd tier die and 16gb VRAM will definitely be $1000 or more.
AMD know Nvidia will grossly overprice their cards though so rather than AMD coming in at a decent price first they let Nvidia overcharge then they come in and overcharge so the price is fixed artificially high.
An example of this was the 7900XT which was supposed to go up against the $900 4080 12gb which then became the 4070ti, AMD launched the 7900XT for $900 which was ridiculous, Nvidia even undercut AMD when they unlaunched the 4080 12gb and relaunched it as a 4070ti for $800, roll on a year and Nvidia are now selling the 4070S which is pretty much the same silicon as a 4080 12gb for $600 while AMD have magically cut the price of the 7900XT to also around $600 so both companies were guilty of price fixing and ripping off consumers when clearly they were able to sell the same silicon for considerably less.
Soldato
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Man of Honour
Yes indeed
Just look at gaming chairs lol.. A product that use to cost £50-100 without the gaming name is now anywhere from £100 (for rubbish that should not be £20) to £1000+ .. same rubbish made in the same factories with different labels on them, just to jack up the prices for junk.
Now anything with AI in its name has the same rubbish done to it..
The whole gaming/tech/pc/console/consumer tech for AV has all lost the plot in last decade if not longer.. and getting worse and people make excuses for it, where in reality I think the people making excuses for these companies are either benefiting financially from them (getting free products too) , or are too young to know how things were done in the past (or parents still buying things for them and don't yet understand the value of money yet or working) or worse paid AI bots spamming rubbish for these companies or influencers basically doing the same thing.
I don't know really its all become very weird seeing so called "customers" defending the price hikes and the clear overpricing and then using inflation (doubling and tripling of prices to them is inflation) and other excuses to defend these companies that I don't understand why they would fanboy/fangirl for.. They are not your friends or family these companies and I never understood this mentality as all it does is damage the product/company image to future customers that were really interested in buying the product..
I will give you a recent example of a very overpriced product.. the PS5 PRO... and how the strange defending of it by the tiny minority... to the point Sony had to release a further explanation of all the changes and even that didn't help as the product was not a true PRO model it even came with no 4K drive and was never out of stock anywhere since release.. as it clearly shows how badly it was overpriced and give it till summer and watch they will be selling them at £400-£425 or £500 with a 4k drive and some game.. if not they will end up like the Atari E.T cartridges .. The greed since the lockdowns has become unreal and every company now thinks they can do it and put it on some fake/untrue reason. Sorry inflation, does not equal a doubling or tripling in prices compared to the normal before .. A PS4 PRO didn't cost double the PS4 and come with no drive..
The PlayStation 4 Pro was released in the UK on November 10, 2016 with a price of £359.99
The PlayStation 4 Slim was released in the United Kingdom on September 15, 2016 for £259 for the 500 GB model.
The PlayStation 4 (PS4) was released in the UK in 2013 with a recommended retail price of £349
The price of the PlayStation 5 (PS5) in the UK depends on the model and edition:
- PS5 Slim disc edition: £479.99
- PS5 Slim digital edition: £389.99
- PS5 disc edition: £479.99
- PS5 digital edition: £389.99
- PS5 Pro (DIGITAL EDITION, NO DRIVE): £699.99
- PS5 Pro 30th anniversary edition bundle (DIGITAL EDITION, NO DRIVE): £959.99
Disc Drive For PS5® Digital Edition Consoles : £99.99 (but can't be found for that and is selling for £180 at the moment when in stock or more)
So real price of PS5 PRO with drive is £800, £320 increase from the original or slim model RRP. (Slim model never got a price cut from the original release model).
The PS4 PRO was a £10 increase from the original release model and £100 more than the PS4 Slim as the Slim got a price cut from the original model ..
BUT "people" defended the PS5 PRO price hike and was also a smaller real world improvement than the PS4 to PS4 PRO..
This is just a recent example of how mad the tech industry has become and how they see their customers now...
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Yep, I would have spent two hours talking about the Z2 Extreme with some devices in my hand to wave around the stage. Some actual graphs/data on Strix Halo as well.
"We're going for the mainstream"
Doesn't even say the name of the product on stage
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Associate
They also said that they're "evaluating" performance of FSR4 on previous generation cards, which makes sense as if it leverages the improved ML capability of RDNA4 then the previous cards lacking that may struggle to offer good performance when using it.
AMD also went on record to say the leaks regarding performance aren't accurate, and Tim said this was unusual as companies normally say they don't talk about performance. They were probably referencing the 4080-like performance leaks, judging from the positioning of the cards.
Still, it all comes down to price. 7900 XT like performance with a decent RT bump, FSR4 (if good) at the right price (£500) would be a solid mainstream option.
Frankly speaking, I'd be tempted to try AMD again this gen, just for fun. Finished my work stuff requiring 4090 and with current AAA state I'm fine going back to mid range really. But we'll see.
2 of my buddies are still on 6800xt and they seem to be very happy with the performance even in new games like DAV etc.
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