Quite right. Nvidia always had superb marketing team and it shows. Even though people should know better (at least enthusiasts that have much better knowledge).
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CES 2025 AMD & Nvidia Keynote Live Chat [06/01/25]
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The fun bit is that they pulled the same trick with 4000 release, though back then it was an addition to other things and not the sole thing, hence people paid less attention. And now history repeats itself.
Yup, they had some info claiming that the 40 series was over 100% faster than the 30 series might even have been 150%, of course that was with frame gen.
I find the Cyberpunk 2077 comparison on nvidias own website for the 5090 very interesting. When you line it up with the same one they did for the 4090 you see that native performance hasn't really improved that much, showing a rough 30ish% improvement in native rendering with RT on. To be fair I think in raw raster it will be slightly faster than that but I'm not really impressed by the overall offering when you take into account the 2k pricetag. The only thing so fare that impresses me is the board design of the 5090.
Actually the entire nvidia launch event can actually work in AMDs favor. Just check the comments around the web, no one is buying the 5070=4090 bs, no one likes the prices of the 5090 or 5080, there aren't any cheering for the 4x fake frames. Imagen being AMD and handed this opportunity. The wise thing would be to let people stew for a short while and then launch with a good solid offerings for money the average Joe can pay. No 4x fake frame nonsense, no obfuscated BS performance claims, no need for special power connectors. Just here are the GPU, show raw performance numbers matching a 7900XT, show better raytracing than 7900XT, plug and play for 400-450. Do that and people will quickly forget the lack luster AMD CES keynote. Yes I know, Im asking a lot of AMD's PR team
, and before someone mentions the 5060 series. It is already gimped out the door. It has to be. One quick look at the 5070 and you will realise that the options for a 5060 is pretty limited.
Actually the entire nvidia launch event can actually work in AMDs favor. Just check the comments around the web, no one is buying the 5070=4090 bs, no one likes the prices of the 5090 or 5080, there aren't any cheering for the 4x fake frames. Imagen being AMD and handed this opportunity. The wise thing would be to let people stew for a short while and then launch with a good solid offerings for money the average Joe can pay. No 4x fake frame nonsense, no obfuscated BS performance claims, no need for special power connectors. Just here are the GPU, show raw performance numbers matching a 7900XT, show better raytracing than 7900XT, plug and play for 400-450. Do that and people will quickly forget the lack luster AMD CES keynote. Yes I know, Im asking a lot of AMD's PR team
, and before someone mentions the 5060 series. It is already gimped out the door. It has to be. One quick look at the 5070 and you will realise that the options for a 5060 is pretty limited.As I said earlier, their graph seem to show there's no IPC gains almost at all, just more transistors using more power for more money = stagnation. That is also consistent with what NVIDIA CEO is repeating for a while - only AI can speed things up, not the hardware improvements anymore. I just did not expect them to try to take me for an idiot with adding more frames to FG and calling that this big AI revolution... I want to see the proper AI that they shown in their papers.
I wish this was true, but I've seen plenty of comments posted by people who don't know any better and who took it seriously. :/
It won't stop 5090 being sold out on release. 5080 I don't expect will sell well, though - it's like a slap in ones face but they expect you to take it, pay for it, thank them and smile afterwards.
We already seen it, it's not a new thing - LF app had it for a while. It's not great. I can imagine it could work ok for games that already run 150+ FPS without FG, to push them to 400+ of some of the coming new monitors. But not from 30 to 120... that would be a horror story of lag.
We don't have to, they had good opportunities handed to them enough times in the past. AMD is known from messing it up every single time... :/
Man of Honour
@TNA will be amused by this because it will prove his theory wrong but... I am staying with my 4090
I've been on the road all day today as was attending a press event for some new devices and came home with a free watch, phone and buds so not sad about missing all the action here hah.
On the drive there and back had the chance to catch up with some youtube from LTT, Digital Foundry (who actually showed their own hands on as well as LTT), Gamers Nexus and Mr floaty head himself who @Neil79 is a big fan of, Daniel Owen, as well as a take by one of my fv tubers, Optimum Tech:
The takeaway is this, with some of my own thoughts included.
Everything Nvidia showed was obviously with the massive dose of PR spin, all of the metrics were essentially with DLSS 4 FG applied with MFG, and the two games that were only DLSS3, the 5090 raw uplift over a 4090 is far below 50% - It remains to be seen what the no Frame Gen differences are until reviewers get their hands on them. Also the 40 series charts are running DLSS 3 not 4, note that Nvidia state that all RTX cards are getting all of the Enhanced DLSS updates, MFG is the only thing exclusive to the 50 series, so if 240fps is what you need/want, then 50 is the only option, though nobody has a single bit of material showing what the framerate and IQ gains are yet on 40 series with the new Enhanced DLSS4 update, because there absolutely are gains as shown by Digital Foundry and stated by Nvidia. And it is in Nvidia's best interest to not show the 4090 with Enhanced DLSS as the performance gap would be much smaller still most likely in games not using MFG.
With that in mind I am more inclined to skip 50 series entirely and ride out the next year or two with the 4090 with confidence that there are new framerate gains and image quality gains coming very shortly, it's not like performance is lacking or anything lol.
I do want that 2 slot cooler though, but we don't know what the noise that setup will make given it has to control up to 575 watts of TDP even if it's going to be 200W below that in actual games when not being maxed out in benchmarks or DLAA path tracing, otherwise even the 4090 exceeds 400W quite easily, just play Control at 4K DLAA and witness the fans spinning at 2000rpm+ and approx 440 watts being drawn by it., laugh and then enable DLSS Quality and instantly see a 200W drop.
For me to get the 5090 I want to see at the minimum, 50% uplift in raw performance over the 4090, nothing we see right now shows anywhere close to that lol.
So yes having had a day out in the car with my thoughts and some youtube playing in the background, the initial wow factor for the 2 slot cooler design and performance isn't as wow as it was at 02:30 AM and I am more excited about the DLSS 4 model updates coming to 40 series shortly instead.
This also means a 5080 is nowhere near 4090 performance either when factoring in the above. So other than the initial "omg 40 series used prices plummet" panic for no real reason, I don't think it's ultimately going to affect the 4090 used prices much given the VRAM USP and relative raw power still.
So unless reviews show something completely different and new revelations show the 5090 is the must have, then na I'll stick with the 4090 thanks.
I've been on the road all day today as was attending a press event for some new devices and came home with a free watch, phone and buds so not sad about missing all the action here hah.
On the drive there and back had the chance to catch up with some youtube from LTT, Digital Foundry (who actually showed their own hands on as well as LTT), Gamers Nexus and Mr floaty head himself who @Neil79 is a big fan of, Daniel Owen, as well as a take by one of my fv tubers, Optimum Tech:
The takeaway is this, with some of my own thoughts included.
Everything Nvidia showed was obviously with the massive dose of PR spin, all of the metrics were essentially with DLSS 4 FG applied with MFG, and the two games that were only DLSS3, the 5090 raw uplift over a 4090 is far below 50% - It remains to be seen what the no Frame Gen differences are until reviewers get their hands on them. Also the 40 series charts are running DLSS 3 not 4, note that Nvidia state that all RTX cards are getting all of the Enhanced DLSS updates, MFG is the only thing exclusive to the 50 series, so if 240fps is what you need/want, then 50 is the only option, though nobody has a single bit of material showing what the framerate and IQ gains are yet on 40 series with the new Enhanced DLSS4 update, because there absolutely are gains as shown by Digital Foundry and stated by Nvidia. And it is in Nvidia's best interest to not show the 4090 with Enhanced DLSS as the performance gap would be much smaller still most likely in games not using MFG.
With that in mind I am more inclined to skip 50 series entirely and ride out the next year or two with the 4090 with confidence that there are new framerate gains and image quality gains coming very shortly, it's not like performance is lacking or anything lol.
I do want that 2 slot cooler though, but we don't know what the noise that setup will make given it has to control up to 575 watts of TDP even if it's going to be 200W below that in actual games when not being maxed out in benchmarks or DLAA path tracing, otherwise even the 4090 exceeds 400W quite easily, just play Control at 4K DLAA and witness the fans spinning at 2000rpm+ and approx 440 watts being drawn by it., laugh and then enable DLSS Quality and instantly see a 200W drop.
For me to get the 5090 I want to see at the minimum, 50% uplift in raw performance over the 4090, nothing we see right now shows anywhere close to that lol.
So yes having had a day out in the car with my thoughts and some youtube playing in the background, the initial wow factor for the 2 slot cooler design and performance isn't as wow as it was at 02:30 AM and I am more excited about the DLSS 4 model updates coming to 40 series shortly instead.
This also means a 5080 is nowhere near 4090 performance either when factoring in the above. So other than the initial "omg 40 series used prices plummet" panic for no real reason, I don't think it's ultimately going to affect the 4090 used prices much given the VRAM USP and relative raw power still.
So unless reviews show something completely different and new revelations show the 5090 is the must have, then na I'll stick with the 4090 thanks.
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LTT is a joke, remember when he did that piece on the 3090 and 8K gaming because he was paid
Yeah, it should be much closer to the 5090. Although inevitably there will be a 5080 Super / Ti down the line.
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Yes this hasn't been forgotten, but take this content at the contextual value of the overall discussion and ita ligns with what others have said as well.
Also, jensen said on stage that we bought our 4090s to plug into our $10,000 computers. U wot m8?????
@TNA will be amused by this because it will prove his theory wrong but... I am staying with my 4090
I've been on the road all day today as was attending a press event for some new devices and came home with a free watch, phone and buds so not sad about missing all the action here hah.
On the drive there and back had the chance to catch up with some youtube from LTT, Digital Foundry (who actually showed their own hands on as well as LTT), Gamers Nexus and Mr floaty head himself who @Neil79 is a big fan of, Daniel Owen, as well as a take by one of my fv tubers, Optimum Tech:
The takeaway is this, with some of my own thoughts included.
Everything Nvidia showed was obviously with the massive dose of PR spin, all of the metrics were essentially with DLSS 4 FG applied with MFG, and the two games that were only DLSS3, the 5090 raw uplift over a 4090 is far below 50% - It remains to be seen what the no Frame Gen differences are until reviewers get their hands on them. Also the 40 series charts are running DLSS 3 not 4, note that Nvidia state that all RTX cards are getting all of the Enhanced DLSS updates, MFG is the only thing exclusive to the 50 series, so if 240fps is what you need/want, then 50 is the only option, though nobody has a single bit of material showing what the framerate and IQ gains are yet on 40 series with the new Enhanced DLSS4 update, because there absolutely are gains as shown by Digital Foundry and stated by Nvidia. And it is in Nvidia's best interest to not show the 4090 with Enhanced DLSS as the performance gap would be much smaller still most likely in games not using MFG.
With that in mind I am more inclined to skip 50 series entirely and ride out the next year or two with the 4090 with confidence that there are new framerate gains and image quality gains coming very shortly, it's not like performance is lacking or anything lol.
I do want that 2 slot cooler though, but we don't know what the noise that setup will make given it has to control up to 575 watts of TDP even if it's going to be 200W below that in actual games when not being maxed out in benchmarks or DLAA path tracing, otherwise even the 4090 exceeds 400W quite easily, just play Control at 4K DLAA and witness the fans spinning at 2000rpm+ and approx 440 watts being drawn by it., laugh and then enable DLSS Quality and instantly see a 200W drop.
For me to get the 5090 I want to see at the minimum, 50% uplift in raw performance over the 4090, nothing we see right now shows anywhere close to that lol.
So yes having had a day out in the car with my thoughts and some youtube playing in the background, the initial wow factor for the 2 slot cooler design and performance isn't as wow as it was at 02:30 AM and I am more excited about the DLSS 4 model updates coming to 40 series shortly instead.
This also means a 5080 is nowhere near 4090 performance either when factoring in the above. So other than the initial "omg 40 series used prices plummet" panic for no real reason, I don't think it's ultimately going to affect the 4090 used prices much given the VRAM USP and relative raw power still.
So unless reviews show something completely different and new revelations show the 5090 is the must have, then na I'll stick with the 4090 thanks.
Ah nice. Another opportunity to use my clown image at some point
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Nvidia won that round convincingly spouting nothing but a bunch of nonsense and half truths. The 5070Ti seems like the pick of the expensive bunch.
I do normally get swept up in the hype for new stuff but nothing about this 5090 stuff so far has even given me a slight fluttering.
Next time I upgrade I hope it will be to a completely new platform and a significant uplift for the GPU.
Also, the difference is that when I bought the 4090 I had no PC so it was all from scratch. There's nothing I'm really struggling with to play even at 4k so there's not much of an incentive there.
Next time I upgrade I hope it will be to a completely new platform and a significant uplift for the GPU.
Also, the difference is that when I bought the 4090 I had no PC so it was all from scratch. There's nothing I'm really struggling with to play even at 4k so there's not much of an incentive there.
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Agreed. My only slight concern is that there isn't an FE edition of the 5070ti. 1. Because I really like the FE designs. 2. How many models of the 5070 ti will actually come in at £729?
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Important context ahead of your initial impressions of the 5000 series, thanks for sharing.
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Easy answer here, how many AIB cards that were not FE for 40 series came out at FE pricing? I suspect the answer was and still is zero?
Exactly. Will a 5070 ti still be good value at £750? £800? I think the closer it gets to £800 the more likely I am to start looking towards a used 40 series. Real-world performance numbers will also influence my decision, of course.
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Special offers excluded there of course, I was lucky and got my Zotac 4090 at FE price, but that was by pure luck as just happened to be browsing at the very moment and 1 came in stock...