CES Live Streams

andybird123 · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:22

ashmanuk67 said:
Those slides said that BF4 will be 45% faster with Mantel that is good yes?

on low end hardware iirc

there was another slide somewhere showing a difference of 10fps vs. 30fps on the Oxide demo on Kaveri

smogsy · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:50

id like to ask a question,

is AMD fighting against themselves? im not saying im right just like to know...

trueaudio - wasted cpu performance - use your GPU. OK makes sense
Mantle - CPU is to slow > use Mantle up to 45% increased performance.

When Mantle is used on mutiple Games
GPU doing Sound + Vision , wouldn't that actually drop FPS? over using
CPU for Sound
GPU for Vision

not by much but possibly a good %?

TheRealDeal · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:53

smogsy said:
id like to ask a question,

is AMD fighting against themselves? im not saying im right just like to know...

trueaudio - wasted cpu performance - use your GPU. OK makes sense
Mantle - CPU is to slow > use Mantle up to 45% increased performance.

When Mantle is used on mutiple Games
GPU doing Sound + Vision , wouldn't that actually drop FPS? over using
CPU for Sound
GPU for Vision

not by much but possibly a good %?

Mantle is up to 45% faster overall compared to dx11 so no not fighting anything.

LtMatt · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:54

smogsy said:
id like to ask a question,

is AMD fighting against themselves? im not saying im right just like to know...

trueaudio - wasted cpu performance - use your GPU. OK makes sense
Mantle - CPU is to slow > use Mantle up to 45% increased performance.

When Mantle is used on mutiple Games
GPU doing Sound + Vision , wouldn't that actually drop FPS? over using
CPU for Sound
GPU for Vision

not by much but possibly a good %?

No as Hawaii's TruAudio has a separate processor for sound so it won't affect gpu performance. It will help reduce the load on the cpu, along with Mantle. One of the reasons im looking forward to trying Thief. It has Mantle/Tru Audio support.

smogsy · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:55

fair enough. just a thought

LtMatt · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:56

smogsy said:
fair enough. just a thought

How long till you join the Hawaii club smogs?

eddyr · 6 Jan 2014 at 19:57

Yup, the DSP that truaudio uses is basically a simple coprocessor. I don't know the intricacies of the setup but I imagine it's only competitonion with the gpu would be a miniscule bit of bandwith, while any driver /mantle cpu time is small and still a net benefit due to the original offload.

smogsy · 6 Jan 2014 at 20:05

LtMatt said:
How long till you join the Hawaii club smogs?

happy with my 7990 tbh At 2560x1080 its fine

maybe when 290X2 is out...

and to bug you i've put my CPU to stock As no games need extra fps

running i7 3770k @ 0.950 volts runs very cool

i really fancy a Gaming laptop for LAN saving me lugging my 750D case to it.
Not finding a decent one with a AMD GPU so looks like going to bright side of green

also i need to move out my asus xonar STX so i can crossfire atm its a bit tight if it stays.

Deceptor · 6 Jan 2014 at 20:40

Surprised no one mentioned the crop circle thing yet, perhaps people didn't want the presentation till the end?

This comment made me chuckle:

I never buy Nvidia again. there are real crop circles, and you are trolling the believers. But a good crop circle investigator can see the difference of its fake or real.

PhysicsMan94 · 6 Jan 2014 at 20:41

I agree with others about not being excited about gaming on mobile platforms such as smartphones or tablets, and it shocks me that plenty of hardware companies believe there is such a market for this gaming as to invest considerable amounts of time and money into it - perhaps there really are lots of people who like mobile gaming? I'm not sure, but I still think it's being hyped up too much and will eventually fade away.

To me, nothing beats gaming on a PC - no matter how much the graphics capabilities of tablets and phones advances, I will still game on a PC due to the monitor size, mouse and keyboard and just the overall feeling of PC gaming. So, to that end, we need more news on desktop GPUs from Nvidia (and AMD) rather than all this mobile stuff!

Orangey · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:13

What irks me is people like Sweeney know why mobile will never catch up to PCs yet they play along with the marketing BS.

How much power you can cram in an ATX form factor will always be more than what you can cram in a tablet. The universe is strict about that.

LtMatt · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:14

Sweeney is about as pro nvidia as jen hsun himself so that should not come as any surprise Orangey.

PhysicsMan94 · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:23

Orangey said:
How much power you can cram in an ATX form factor will always be more than what you can cram in a tablet. The universe is strict about that.

Indeed, but what worries me is that it seems hardware companies are rapidly moving towards the point where all they care about is mobile technology - it concerns me that they will divert most of their investments from the desktop market to mobile.

Wh00pS · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:32

PhysicsMan94 said:
I agree with others about not being excited about gaming on mobile platforms such as smartphones or tablets, and it shocks me that plenty of hardware companies believe there is such a market for this gaming as to invest considerable amounts of time and money into it - perhaps there really are lots of people who like mobile gaming? I'm not sure, but I still think it's being hyped up too much and will eventually fade away.

Your joking right?, mobile gaming is absolutely massive.
Lets take one game for instance, The Simpsons Tapped Out, in little over a year from it's release it had generated over $100m, bare in mind that isn't just revenue that number is all profit and it's only available on Ios and Android.
This games cost very little to make (in development terms) and can reap huge rewards. As tech gets better, the games will get better and the numbers buying them will only increase.

PhysicsMan94 · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:40

Wh00pS said:
Your joking right?, mobile gaming is absolutely massive.
Lets take one game for instance, The Simpsons Tapped Out, in little over a year from it's release it had generated over $100m, bare in mind that isn't just revenue that number is all profit and it's only available on Ios and Android.
This games cost very little to make (in development terms) and can reap huge rewards. As tech gets better, the games will get better and the numbers buying them will only increase.

To be honest, I don't keep up to date with mobile gaming at all and I can't understand why anyone would want to game on a phone/tablet over a PC or console.

Deceptor · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:48

PhysicsMan94 said:
To be honest, I don't keep up to date with mobile gaming at all and I can't understand why anyone would want to game on a phone/tablet over a PC or console.

Mobile gaming isn't meant to be a choice over PC/Console gaming, the two are very far apart and appeal to mostly different people. Best way to consider mobile gaming is "bite-size" games which are good to play for a few minutes here and there (more so on the phone/tablet ecosystem).

That said you do get some "full" games on mobile devices which do appear silly to me and probably you, yet this christmas I was blown away by my niece and nephew who are 5/6 years old and playing Minecraft on an iPod Touch like a pro with on screen controls. She just built houses and stuff everywhere while her bother preferred covering the landscape with TNT and letting it go boom

PhysicsMan94 · 6 Jan 2014 at 21:52

I suppose you're right, each to their own I guess - as long as hardware companies keep pumping plenty of money into the desktop market, then that's fine with me.

drunkenmaster · 7 Jan 2014 at 00:21

THe AMD conference is own now if anyone wants to watch, link in OP.

You missed Geordi La forge talking about the holodeck.

lol, went down as I was talking about it..... it's back.

Trueaudio is able to be used for more than just game noise, it's got voice recognition software acceleration capability. It can clean up audio(I suspect that is where they were going, as the stream went down).

Currently talking about LibreOffice being optimised for HSA already, as will I believe Windows 8.1 so things like jpeg decompression and plenty of other stuff can be accelerated.

drunkenmaster · 7 Jan 2014 at 00:33

Bah, the stream went down and now its' stupid jerky, but they were just showing BF4 with mantle saying its 45% faster, I think they said on that hardware, and they were pushing over 100fps so I think we were talking about a high end gpu and not Kaveri, but can't be sure.

Orangey · 7 Jan 2014 at 06:52

I know it's nothing to do with GPUs but I had to post it anyway.