Change to MM access after 1st January 2024

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When threads such as 'The random image thread' exist it just seems a pointless rule update. It's coming across as the rule has been put in place so that there would be more 'value added' type posts alas that will not necessarily be the result me thinks.

I'm a long time member and lurk much much much more than I post but as I've said in a previous response I will tow the line as rules are rules at the end of the day. I guess I am the type that doesn't like change when I think there's no real reason for it. I've been a member on here for 20 odd years and these forums have never been quiet in all of those years!

/2nd rant, heading back into the woodwork, there to stay now :D
The rules haven't changed, it's just no longer a manual task to check.
 
Hello. I can no longer access MM. After reading this entire thread, I am led to believe the reason for this is that I'm a leech who is contributing absolutely naff all towards the community. I've tried to pick sense out of nonsense in this thread, but despite people's efforts to justify this change, I've not read a single reasonable explanation of why a fix was required for something that didn't seem broken.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I see that this rule was maybe created in private, by a group of unpaid volunteers some time ago, potentially without consulting the wider community, and that it is now being implemented via automation.

For all you budding Ethics Philosophers out there, in this scenario, is the MM access a carrot to encourage posting more often, or is the removal of access to the MM a stick to force you to post?

Throwing myself into the meatgrinder, I've been a forum member for about 20 years, made over 14,000 posts in a short period, and went to great lengths to illustrate my posts. I could easily spend 30 minutes on just one single post, so I didn't just spam my way to 14k. It took me 20 mins to write just this one single post. Even though I am heading towards old age, I still love my PC hardware, so buy or sell something on the OcUK Members market at least once a year on average. I think I've had close to 100 transactions and never had a problem. Deffo has been a nice place to buy/sell decent-priced hardware for the past 20 years.

I can't meet the minimum requirements because I don't like to post anymore. I find some people's posts unnecessarily offensive, verging on potentially toxic behaviour which doesn't make nice reading. Even in this thread, I can see a few unmoderated individuals trying to provoke an emotional response, in a simple discussion about forum rules. This is a general internet problem really, and not aimed at OcUK forums being more toxic than the average web hangout.

I would argue that in my time, I was very active and I would like to think I made a meaningful contribution to the OcUK forums by helping beginners overclock their INTEL/AMD systems and also speccing them new builds using all OcUk parts. I always received plenty of thanks from the individuals I helped, which was enough, but the amount of unmoderated ad hominem thrown against me from others was unreal, even from the forum mods themselves, which eventually led me to quit posting.

We normally honour our veterans for their previous service, but here we see OcUK stripping them of any privilege they may have earned during their lifetime unless they return to active duty.

I hope you will consider removing this MM requirement to spam the forums once a certain amount of posts are made. I support changes that make the forums safer but I'm not seeing that in this example.

Apart from that, Happy New Year, I hope 2024 is a good one! :cool:
Whilst I understand your sentiment, every one of your posts for the last 2.5 years has been solely in the MM. It was only a matter of time before the moderators noticed this and dealt with it manually anyway.
 
When threads such as 'The random image thread' exist it just seems a pointless rule update. It's coming across as the rule has been put in place so that there would be more 'value added' type posts alas that will not necessarily be the result me thinks.

I'm a long time member and lurk much much much more than I post but as I've said in a previous response I will tow the line as rules are rules at the end of the day. I guess I am the type that doesn't like change when I think there's no real reason for it. I've been a member on here for 20 odd years and these forums have never been quiet in all of those years!

/2nd rant, heading back into the woodwork, there to stay now :D
As has been stated several times now, this change isn't to increase forum traffic. It's to stop people only using the forum to buy and sell when they reach 1000 posts.

The moderators are all volunteers, why wouldn't we automate something that used to take a considerable amount of our time now that the forum software gives us the ability to do so?
 
When threads such as 'The random image thread' exist it just seems a pointless rule update. It's coming across as the rule has been put in place so that there would be more 'value added' type posts alas that will not necessarily be the result me thinks.

I'm a long time member and lurk much much much more than I post but as I've said in a previous response I will tow the line as rules are rules at the end of the day. I guess I am the type that doesn't like change when I think there's no real reason for it. I've been a member on here for 20 odd years and these forums have never been quiet in all of those years!

/2nd rant, heading back into the woodwork, there to stay now :D

Just post a random image in the random image thread once a week and you'll have access to MM.

It really does boil down to that, I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over ideologies so much!
 
Nothing has changed in regards to expectation as per Feek's opening post, the expectation was you remained an active part of the community after reaching the minimum post count to gain MM access. That includes long term members, and therefore no exception to the rule.

The only thing that has changed is now it's an automated system based on a prescribed number of posts and timeframe.

That's not an answer to what problem does it solve. Because it doesn't encourage someone to be more active on the forums if they aren't using MM.

I'm not getting why posting spam solves a problem on MM. Or removing older members.
 
As has been stated several times now, this change isn't to increase forum traffic. It's to stop people only using the forum to buy and sell when they reach 1000 posts.

The moderators are all volunteers, why wouldn't we automate something that used to take a considerable amount of our time now that the forum software gives us the ability to do so?

I partially agree with the poster you're responding to but the last bit of your post seems reasonable too. Could membership length not be used as an alternative for anyone who has been here 10 years plus, for example?
 
Just post a random image in the random image thread once a week and you'll have access to MM.

It really does boil down to that, I don't see why people are getting their knickers in a twist over ideologies so much!

Like I said it doesn't effect me at all. Don't use MM. Just curious about the problem it solves.

It's a forum for discussion. Seems a valid topic. Also discussing this issue is exactly what this rule encourages, and makes me "ok" to use MM.
 
The rule unfairly targets people that like to read threads and contribute when they feel necessary, which could be less than once a week.

Were long timers and/or people with overall large post counts considered to be excluded from this rule? They would have provided enough information over time to meet the original concen?

Why should they be? Just because you may have contributed in the past, doesn't suddenly give you free access for life. Where do we draw the line? Frankly I would say 5k posts across nearly 21 years is nowhere near enough contribution.
 
As has been stated several times now, this change isn't to increase forum traffic. It's to stop people only using the forum to buy and sell when they reach 1000 posts.

The moderators are all volunteers, why wouldn't we automate something that used to take a considerable amount of our time now that the forum software gives us the ability to do so?

That's not an answer to what problem does it solve. Because it doesn't encourage someone to be more active on the forums if they aren't using MM.

I'm not getting why posting spam solves a problem on MM. Or removing older members.
The moderators have already mentioned several times what this change is solving
 
I've not read a single reasonable explanation of why a fix was required for something that didn't seem broken.

Like I said it doesn't effect me at all. Don't use MM. Just curious about the problem it solves.

Were long timers and/or people with overall large post counts considered to be excluded from this rule?



This post outlines an example of exactly why access isn't being granted to people who no longer actively use their accounts.
 
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Like I said it doesn't effect me at all. Don't use MM. Just curious about the problem it solves.

It's a forum for discussion. Seems a valid topic. Also discussing this issue is exactly what this rule encourages, and makes me "ok" to use MM.

You understand that a forum only survives with contribution right? If everyone decided to "lurk" or assumed their supposed veteran status that the forum would wither and die, taking along the MM. Therefore it's only fair that those who contribute get access.
 

This post outlines an example of exactly why access isn't being granted to people who no longer actively use their accounts.

Or for those of us using peasant page sizes:

 
Or for those of us using peasant page sizes:

Oh, posting from mobile and thought I'd copied the link to a specific post. It was post #535 in that thread I was aiming for if anyone else is getting directed to something else :p
 

This post outlines an example of exactly why access isn't being granted to people who no longer actively use their accounts.

Also, this forum is not a democracy, accepting membership is accepting rules even if they do not make sense to you and are made by a small quorum of members.
 
As has been stated several times now, this change isn't to increase forum traffic. It's to stop people only using the forum to buy and sell when they reach 1000 posts.

The moderators are all volunteers, why wouldn't we automate something that used to take a considerable amount of our time now that the forum software gives us the ability to do so?
Thanks for clarifying what my inadequate eyes somehow missed. Fully understand why you'd want to automate something, I'm well aware how easily time can be consumed faffing with things like this.
 
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