Changing from Canon to Nikon

whats wrong with focus and recompose? i use to do that a lot on my 400d :).

i cant really think of a single reason by the OP on why he needs to bin a 6d nevermind switching to a whole new camera system!
 
jonneymendoza said:
whats wrong with focus and recompose? i use to do that a lot on my 400d :).
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It shifts the plane of focus behind the subject as you swing the camera. In normal situations (say a 35mm lens at f/2.8, focused about 2m) you're covered by the DOF, but when you're closer and using a wide aperture you can run into trouble. It all depends on how much you swing the camera to achieve your desired composition.
 
buzzlightweight said:
That's counter productive, I would be better off getting the 5d3
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Depends what you are after, better high ISO, 2 stops more dynamic range, better colour depth, higher routine, sharper images, more cropping, RAW HDMI out, built in flash etc. This is the most popular move for people swapping from canon to Nikon, thousands of people went this route once the 5dmk3 and d800 were released and compared. If you want a modern body for landscape, architecture, still life, macro, studio and many types of wildlife then it is an obvious switch to make without any hesitation. For things like sports you have to think abit more about speed, but the 1.2x crop mode still nets you 24Mp images with a higher DR than the 5dMk3 and with a fast card will pull images at 5.5FPs, no grip required.


WRT to the D600 you have a modern high speed 39 point auto focus system inherited from the D7000 DX camera but further tuned. The downsize being the sensor points mostly cover the more central portion, which is actually an issue with all FF cameras since ere AF sensors cover th central portion. A little more pronounced in the D600 compared to D800 or 5Dmk3 but same kind of ball park. The sensor gives a couple of extra stop of dynamic range over the canons, better high ISO but not by much. However, if getting focus points right not the corners is important D600 likely wont please you, the d7100 however...




D7100 is really a dream camera for many types of photography (but no high FPS for the machine gunners). State of the art aps-c sensor that will give most FF sensors a run for its money. No AA filter gives sharp images with good glass. 54Pt professional grade AF system thtat cover a huge area of the frame. Also interting is a1.2xcrop mode, in which the focus points cover pretty much border to order across the frame.

But it is a crop sensor when it comes to depth of focus. For IQ it is not too far behind, very similar to the canon FF ( e.g. compared with 6d about 0.8 stop worse noise but 1.5 stop better DR).
 
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GTRacer said:
It shifts the plane of focus behind the subject as you swing the camera. In normal situations (say a 35mm lens at f/2.8, focused about 2m) you're covered by the DOF, but when you're closer and using a wide aperture you can run into trouble. It all depends on how much you swing the camera to achieve your desired composition.
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Also many fast prime lenses when used wide open have severe field curvature do the focus plane isn't a flat plane but curved like a sphere. If you focus ith a more central point and then rotate the camera, the subject is likely to be out of focus in the edges/corners.
 
D.P. said:
Depends what you are after, better high ISO, 2 stops more dynamic range, better colour depth, higher routine, sharper images, more cropping, RAW HDMI out, built in flash etc. This is the most popular move for people swapping from canon to Nikon, thousands of people went this route once the 5dmk3 and d800 were released and compared. If you want a modern body for landscape, architecture, still life, macro, studio and many types of wildlife then it is an obvious switch to make without any hesitation. For things like sports you have to think abit more about speed, but the 1.2x crop mode still nets you 24Mp images with a higher DR than the 5dMk3 and with a fast card will pull images at 5.5FPs, no grip required.


WRT to the D600 you have a modern high speed 39 point auto focus system inherited from the D7000 DX camera but further tuned. The downsize being the sensor points mostly cover the more central portion, which is actually an issue with all FF cameras since ere AF sensors cover th central portion. A little more pronounced in the D600 compared to D800 or 5Dmk3 but same kind of ball park. The sensor gives a couple of extra stop of dynamic range over the canons, better high ISO but not by much. However, if getting focus points right not the corners is important D600 likely wont please you, the d7100 however...




D7100 is really a dream camera for many types of photography (but no high FPS for the machine gunners). State of the art aps-c sensor that will give most FF sensors a run for its money. No AA filter gives sharp images with good glass. 54Pt professional grade AF system thtat cover a huge area of the frame. Also interting is a1.2xcrop mode, in which the focus points cover pretty much border to order across the frame.

But it is a crop sensor when it comes to depth of focus. For IQ it is not too far behind, very similar to the canon FF ( e.g. compared with 6d about 0.8 stop worse noise but 1.5 stop better DR).
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better high ISO?

from what i have read and seen on multiple forums is that 5d3 edges it slightly.

DR i give u that and of course the MP but what about the 5d3's benefits such as better AF system? faster FPS, ISO performance and easy on your hard drive space?

i dont know about you specifically but for me a pop up flash i dont use because it produces terrible light in most situations.
 
jonneymendoza said:
better high ISO?

from what i have read and seen on multiple forums is that 5d3 edges it slightly.

DR i give u that and of course the MP but what about the 5d3's benefits such as better AF system? faster FPS, ISO performance and easy on your hard drive space?

i dont know about you specifically but for me a pop up flash i dont use because it produces terrible light in most situations.
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D800 and 5dmk3 have similar IO but the D800 definitely has the edge but the difference isn't big, unlike the dynamic range.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/814|0/(brand2)/Nikon

5d3 high ISO cutoff is 2300, D800 has a limit at about ISO 3000 following DXO's criteria. And before someone cries about dxomark the results are replicated with identical results at other sources, just the absolute values changing and the relative performance being the same (e.g
http://home.comcast.net/~nikond70/Charts/PDR.htm)

Better AF system? There isn't really much of a different, the Nikon seems to cope better in the dark (the d800 can focus at F8 from release) but not seen any conclusive proof of any tangible differences. Everyone I respect who has compared the 2 have said there is nothing in terms of performance or reliability to choose between the 2. Faster FPS yes, but neither camera are fast so it is the wrong type of camera for action. The D800 will do 5.5FPS with a high end card in the 1.2x crop mode which still diver stunning 24Mps images.
As for hard drive space it is really a nose we argument, if H space is important your priorities are wrong and you should like buy a 12Mp D700:D
 
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D.P. said:
D800 and 5dmk3 have similar IO but the D800 definitely has the edge but the difference isn't big, unlike the dynamic range.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca...brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/814|0/(brand2)/Nikon

5d3 high ISO cutoff is 2300, D800 has a limit at about ISO 3000 following DXO's criteria. And before someone cries about dxomark the results are replicated with identical results at other sources, just the absolute values ch aging and the relative performance being the same.

Better AF system? There isn't really much of a different, the Nikon seems to cope better in the dark but not seen any conclusive proof. Faster FPS yes, but neither camera are fats so it is the wrong type of camera for action. The D800 will do 5.5FPS with a high end card in the 1.2x crop mode which still diver stunning 24Mps images.
As for hard drive space it is really a nose we argument, if H space is important your priorities are wrong and you should like buy a 12Mp D700:D
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and u feel that all of the above points is enough to switch systems instead of learning how to practise your skills better?

this is the million doller question for the OP
 
jonneymendoza said:
and u feel that all of the above points is enough to switch systems instead of learning how to practise your skills better?

this is the million doller question for the OP
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That is for the OP to decide. It isn't a million dollar question, the OP will just loose some purchase of value if his lenses but really that isn't a it deal. If you own a lens for 4 years and you loose £150-£200 in resale than that is an incredibly cheap rental! One might have taken thousands and thousands of photo with that lens so the cost per image is maybe 1-2p. Back in the film day it was cost you far, far higher just to get an image!

EDIT: D800 is like £400 cheaper so the costs if switching really aren't significant. Add in the cost of. New 24-70 and 70-200 and the Nikon system is a lot cheaper to buy into n that respect.


All depends what he OP wants. For things like landscape, studio and architecture there just isn't a comparison but that doesn't mean it is worth swapping. If it is just a hobby and no m eh involved then there is little issue. Manyof the people that dropped the canon 5dmk2 and switche to Nikon were professional landscape and nature photographers etc, so it made financial sense to be able to get better photos that can be printed bigger and capture better light.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
better high ISO?

from what i have read and seen on multiple forums is that 5d3 edges it slightly.

DR i give u that and of course the MP but what about the 5d3's benefits such as better AF system? faster FPS, ISO performance and easy on your hard drive space?
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I think most people on most forums don't have a good enough grasp of the technical stuff to actually be informative. In terms of ISO 5Diii is about on par with D800 at the same output size. D800E has slight advantage (maybe a third of a stop) over both the 5d3 and D800.

I haven't compared the AF system directly, but I doubt there is anything in it.

FPS, not something I'm concerned with, but then 4fps or 5.5fps (at 1.2x) Vs 6fps isn't a big difference.

File size. Is this 36mp raw file hard on your hard drive?
RAW FILE

For me though, I couldn't be without a metering system that uses all the AF points not just the centre point. Having to keep metering and locking exposure, it's like the metering equivalent of focus recompose...
 
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An Exception said:
For me though, I couldn't be without a metering system that uses all the AF points not just the centre point. Having to keep metering and locking exposure, it's like the metering equivalent of focus recompose...
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The D800 meters from the focus point?

I didn't know that any camera did that and it sounds a pretty awesome feature.
 
jonneymendoza said:
i thought only the 1dx/d4 did that?

also it meters like that in spot meter mode
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On the D800 (and all Nikon DLRs) exposure metering in matrix mode takes into account what focus point you have selected. There is a complex algorithm and large database that analyses the meter and decides on the best exposure that was hopefully intended, given weight and consideration to the focus point, this has always been the case. E.g. Back with the old D80 there was much more weight given to the focus point so some people didn't like the change in behavior.

It is really the only way to expose. Center weighted is just a backwards compatibility UFC tion for people who grew up with cameras in the 80s. Similarly with spot metering, it is rarely needed because even in matrix mode it will consider the exposure under the focus point carefully.

Spot metering is not the same as this because spot metering ignores the rest of the frame so getting an accurate exposure for the whole scene becomes very difficult and exposure becomes very erratic (if that spot drifts slightly then the exposure will change when you don't expect it to). If you are only exposing around a small small area then it is hard to preserve highlights etc.

I never realized canon bodies don't do focus weighted metering, pretty shocked at that omission? Not sure if that is true, I just couldn't imagine exposure not being weighted by focus point? How do you get accurate metering without t,aging the subject into account?

Fr a ikon shooters I know it is a big issue because it is a huge help. But when the behavior changes some Nikon togs get very upset (see the old d80 issue).

One thing that is missing for. Focus weighted metering is the ability to fine tune the weighting. Would be great to have several settings or a v.aue to change like focus micro adjustments. Something's like landscape you don't always want much focus weighting but anything like portraits, wildlife, sports, weddings then it is a godsend to get accurate exposures.
 
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ManCuBuS said:
The D800 meters from the focus point?

I didn't know that any camera did that and it sounds a pretty awesome feature.
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Yep. I use my D800's in spot meter so can meter off people skin (18% grey which is what all our camera's are designed to meter off).

If I'm metering off something that is black or white (which confuses the spot metering) I then have a short cut button configured to momentarily switch to matrix metering.
 
D.P. said:
I never realized canon bodies don't do focus weighted metering, pretty shocked at that omission? Not sure if that is true, I just couldn't imagine exposure not being weighted by focus point? How do you get accurate metering without t,aging the subject into account?
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From what I can gather (if not shooting with centre AF point) you use the centre focus point to meter.. lock exposure.. select you're AF point and shoot as normal.

Obviously that's more steps than just selecting the AF point and shooting...
 
D.P. said:
On the D800 (and all Nikon DLRs) exposure metering in matrix mode takes into account what focus point you have selected. There is a complex algorithm and large database that analyses the meter and decides on the best exposure that was hopefully intended, given weight and consideration to the focus point, this has always been the case. E.g. Back with the old D80 there was much more weight given to the focus point so some people didn't like the change in behavior.

It is really the only way to expose. Center weighted is just a backwards compatibility UFC tion for people who grew up with cameras in the 80s. Similarly with spot metering, it is rarely needed because even in matrix mode it will consider the exposure under the focus point carefully.

Spot metering is not the same as this because spot metering ignores the rest of the frame so getting an accurate exposure for the whole scene becomes very difficult and exposure becomes very erratic (if that spot drifts slightly then the exposure will change when you don't expect it to). If you are only exposing around a small small area then it is hard to preserve highlights etc.
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Matrix metering isn't so good for backlit portraits.
 
An Exception said:
Matrix metering isn't so good for backlit portraits.
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Yeah, magic metering can fail and backlit scene are the most common. But these are easy to detect and I intrinsically dial in a stop or 2 of exposure compensation before even taking the photo, quick check of the histo to confirm of course. Sot metering would also work but then you have other risks, being more likely to clip highlights and highly variable shutter speeds, which is especially an issue if you don't use auto ISO.
 
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