Ched Evans

omnomnom said:
How are you going to prove that someone falsely accused someone ?
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Confession, evidence, as with all crimes there is a possibility that even if she lied there isn't enough evidence to convict her. A woman recently got I believe sentenced to jail time because her fitbit proved her rape claim was false. She was apparently logged as walking in some area by her fitbit when she claims she was elsewhere being raped. Other women may get secretly recorded threatening to file a false rape claim then the video is shown when she does it. Other times texts/e-mails to friends laying out their plans, or video of the innocent party at the time she claims a rape happens proving she was lying, etc. There are plenty of ways to prove a claim is false and plenty of reasons an innocent person wouldn't have an alibi and proof the other person was lying.


I said pretty much throughout, he may or may not have raped her, the problem is she was so drunk she doesn't remember and jury members are essentially taking her word for it and taking the fact that they themselves either wouldn't have a threesome, or sloppy seconds or wouldn't admit it as proof that no normal woman would agree to bang another guy in the same night. It's a prude vs evidence issue, people assume women who sleep with more than one guy are 'a particular word for a woman who is promiscuous' because that is what society dictates. Rather than maybe she was raped, maybe she had sex with two dudes and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But because society views sex the way it does, in effect you are changing the options for a verdict, you're either siding with a potential victim or 'a particular word for a woman who is promiscuous' shaming her with no middle ground.

It also had the whole drunk angle, if someone is drunk they can't consent and it's always obvious exactly how drunk someone is, even though the only video evidence showed her walking fine and actively choosing to leave the hotel on her own to grab the pizza then come back in.

The bias throughout the trial, in the two extreme views in which the incident must be viewed(raped or just a 'a particular word for a woman who is promiscuous'), the media wanting to hate him and considering him guilty throughout, it wasn't close to a fair trial and I don't think he can get a fair trial at this point. She chose to go there, she can't remember what happened but she decides if she got black out drunk she bears no responsibility in how she acted is not a reason to find him guilty.

EDIT:- apparently the word that this 'a particular word for a woman who is promiscuous' represents is banned even though it's really not what I'd consider a swear word, oh well.
 
I mean has no one been out with their mrs drinking, and said mrs has sat on your laptop or put her hands down your pants? I was drunk so it was non consent rape? Er..no

unless you are blind paralytic drunk - then i believe you do know what you are doing.

From the case

The court heard that Mr McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird".


During Evans' evidence, he told the jury he had gone to the hotel, let himself in to Mr McDonald's room and watched his friend and the woman having sex.
It was claimed Mr McDonald asked if his friend could "get involved", to which the woman said yes.
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Anyone else here be texting their mate if they pull a girl who can barely walk straight?

You can tell what kind of pond life ched and his mate are from their own actions regardless of what the girl said or can remember.
 
The Running Man said:
The judge said she stumbled about a bit from the notes i read.

But tellwme if you text a mate and say ' i met a girl' does he say:

a, great hope it works out
b, I'll be there in 5 mins...
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and here in lies the problem, deciding to put someone in jail because they think differently about sex than you do. Personally I don't like the idea of sloppy seconds at all, not big on the idea of group sex though you know, FFM wouldn't exactly be a problem. I've also not really been the type for one night stands from women met that evening at a club/wherever else. But I recognise that plenty of other people are fine with one night stands and that plenty of men and women are willing to just shag whatever is available at the time.

So if I was a juror I could go into a case like this and say I'd never do what Evans did, and she could never want to sleep with two guys like that so it must be rape. Or I could go to court and say I'd never do that, but I get that other people do and my own views on sex shouldn't make me put someone in jail for rape with absolutely no evidence at all.

I said before, society pretty much boiled down the jurors decision to did he rape her or do we paint her as someone who likes to get gang banged, with no middle ground of, it's okay to like sex and do what you want and it's not a negative to suggest she does as well.

He went to jail because people like to inflict their own morality on everyone else and don't want to choose between victim and ****.

If we want to talk about evidence, she regularly(according to her and friends) gets black out drunk, does cocaine and other drugs and also is willing to go back to a guys hotel within pretty much minutes of meeting him for sex. If you were going to use character evidence for determining the verdict she certainly sounds like a women up for anything.
 
drunkenmaster said:
and here in lies the problem, deciding to put someone in jail because they think differently about sex than you do. Personally I don't like the idea of sloppy seconds at all, not big on the idea of group sex though you know, FFM wouldn't exactly be a problem. I've also not really been the type for one night stands from women met that evening at a club/wherever else. But I recognise that plenty of other people are fine with one night stands and that plenty of men and women are willing to just shag whatever is available at the time.

So if I was a juror I could go into a case like this and say I'd never do what Evans did, and she could never want to sleep with two guys like that so it must be rape. Or I could go to court and say I'd never do that, but I get that other people do and my own views on sex shouldn't make me put someone in jail for rape with absolutely no evidence at all.

I said before, society pretty much boiled down the jurors decision to did he rape her or do we paint her as someone who likes to get gang banged, with no middle ground of, it's okay to like sex and do what you want and it's not a negative to suggest she does as well.

He went to jail because people like to inflict their own morality on everyone else and don't want to choose between victim and ****.

If we want to talk about evidence, she regularly(according to her and friends) gets black out drunk, does cocaine and other drugs and also is willing to go back to a guys hotel within pretty much minutes of meeting him for sex. If you were going to use character evidence for determining the verdict she certainly sounds like a women up for anything.
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This has literally nothing to do with what happened to Evans :confused:.

Girl went back to hotel with footballer, jury and judge agreed on that she consented to have sex with footballer. Then, another footballer turns up to 'have his go' after being text that first footballer 'had got one', left through fire exit on window.

The case found Evans guilty based on the evidence, along with him turning up unbeknown to the girl, and there in there were grounds that she did not consent to sleep with Evans.
 
I never thought this guy was guilty maybe a total tit, but something in this case not that I really followed it, but it always felt off.
 
Tummy said:
This has literally nothing to do with what happened to Evans :confused:.

Girl went back to hotel with footballer, jury and judge agreed on that she consented to have sex with footballer. Then, another footballer turns up to 'have his go' after being text that first footballer 'had got one', left through fire exit on window.

The case found Evans guilty based on the evidence, along with him turning up unbeknown to the girl, and there in there were grounds that she did not consent to sleep with Evans.
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She says she doesn't remember what happened, he says he came in and consented to having sex with him. So the jury felt like they had the choice of saying she was raped or she was the type of girl who just wanted more sex and thus they deem her a **** rather than just a girl with a healthy appetite. You've done exactly what the jury and press did, you decided that if another guy turned up it means she was raped because there is no way another famous footballer turns up and she is happy to have sex with him too... right? You've literally backed up what I said exactly, you decide she was raped because no one would consent to banging a second dude in that situation. Except the women who would, but you seem to be heavily leaning against that being a possibility, why is that, why are you so reluctant to admit the possibility that she was happy to have and consented to sex with a second guy she didn't know? Is it because you think only a **** would do that and you don't want to choose between **** and rape victim?

There was no evidence, even she didn't say she was raped, at least initially and was pushed into pressing charges. Apparently after the conviction she texted a friend saying she was due a big pay day now, if true presumably from selling interviews with papers. However she got abuse rather than everyone wanting to treat her great so going on tv and playing the victim wouldn't have worked out well, putting her face out there just making herself a target.


Yesterday a story showing that the girl who claims the Sunderland player raped her was filmed shagging two Newcastle players 2 days before the trial..... Now I'm not specifically saying she wasn't raped however a woman raped by a footballer and with a 'painful' emotional trial coming up in two days would in most peoples opinions be extremely unlikely to be having consensual group sex two days before said trial and hanging around the same places trying to pick up footballers.

I still have zero clue if the Ched Evans girl was raped, but there is clearly quite a few women who target footballers and will cry rape and try to get a payday out of it. This new case screams, absolutely screams of a woman who is doing just that.
 
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I'm just interested to hear what this supposed new evidence is .... what could it possibly be that they didn't have for the first trial? Must be pretty significant.
 
Robbo said:
Ched Evans: Chesterfield sign striker despite upcoming rape retrial

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36575406

Guess they must think he's innocent...!
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big gamble from them in terms of if he can still kick a ball straight after 4 years out of the game and the potential backlash they could experience particularly if he is convicted a second time!

Either way I think it is right that he is allowed to continue his career, if he committed the crime he has served his sentence and been released back into the community so should be allowed to take up his career and if he is found innocent well obviously he should continue his career. I hate to think what his compensation claim will be if he is found innocent last time round as his loss of earnings will be significant.
 
Good news imo.

Knew nothing about it until i seen 1302730 (4) news vans outside the stadium and text my mrs to see whats going off.

Good player, hope he does well and is aloud to get on with his job.
 
JUSTICE!

Finally

Now watch twitter and Facebook blow up with women saying how bad the justice system is and how footballers get away with anything all without having read up on the actual facts.
 
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