Ched Evans

Evans is not alone in being the only convicted criminal playing football, but I would revoke the registration of all of these players (any criminal conviction which carries with it a custodial sentence) and prevent them playing again (those that are still playing).

King is a particularly unpleasant man.

They are all low calibre human beings.
 
That is only the 2nd time that word has been used on the forum, well played!

Sweet! It's my second favourite word after Gerontocracy... although I doubt that that that can be applied in this case!

It's terrible that the potential of Ched Evans' (a convicted rapist) signing with a club has caused the threat of rape against the family members of the club's sponsors. There's something so ****ing backward in that threat, that I really do despair.

The guy is free to join a football club, therefore he should be allowed to join a football club. Whether there are any clubs foolish enough to employ him (not pertaining to his rehabilitation, but from a financial perspective) is another matter. Ched Evans isn't much of a footballing investment. Sure he may score a few goals in League One, but a financially limited club such as Oldham would/should be acquiring players in order to potentially sell on, wherever possible. Should they have signed Evans and he whacked in 25 league goals in 2015, the line of suitors for his signature that would be willing to pay a fee for his services would be remarkably short/non-existent based upon his previous conviction.
 
The family of his girlfriend also were offering financial incentives to Oldham (as far as I understand) to sign Evans. This included paying his wages and offering money to help plug the gap the sponsors left.
 
Evans is not alone in being the only convicted criminal playing football, but I would revoke the registration of all of these players (any criminal conviction which carries with it a custodial sentence) and prevent them playing again (those that are still playing).

I personally don't agree with this. The club should have a right as to whether to sign a player or not, but to proactively ban an individual from playing football based upon a conviction... I don't think that's wise.

As far as I understand it, Messi is under trial for tax evasion, a crime which can carry a custodial sentence. If he gets put away for 30 days, should he be banned from playing football for the rest of his career?
 
True toshj, but if he scored 25 goals then Oldham would likely be pushing for playoffs and maybe promotion so they'd likely benefit anyway.

We got promoted from League One last season, and are estimating at losing more money this season in the Championship than we did last season in League One!
 
Saw this too:

disgusting re Evans. 1 board member was told the address of where his daughter works, and was told she'd be raped if the club proceeds.

What's wrong with people.

This is getting crazy. Cameron has already commented on the case, saying Oldham should "think very carefully". Instead of make opportunistic comments, isn't it time the government attempted to legally clarify explicitly what convicted rapists are/aren't allowed to do once they've served their sentence. If there is something wrong wit the law, it should be changed.

Otherwise, there is nothing legally preventing Evans playing professional football again, and Oldham, as a business, should be free to employ him without fear of intimidation and threats from the public.
 
A lot of what annoys me about this, is that the majority of people who are complaining and making these threats are just yobs who want blood without knowing the facts,

Like that case of those two who beat someone to death because they heard a rumour he was a peado. Didn't even know what he'd supposedly done or if it was true, just heard the word peado and wanted to play the tough guy vigilante. Because nothing says "hero" like the guy who kills peados and rapists. And again, people sharing stories on Facebook of rapists/sex offenders getting killed or done over in prison, not even knowing the circumstances of the case, and saying things like "Good they done it before I did" or idiotic comments along those lines.

I have no opinion either way on this particular case because I don't know the facts or seen any of the evidence to suggest if he's guilty either way, however I do feel that most people just don't even care either way, they just want to do him in because of a potentially wrong verdict in the case.
 
I personally don't agree with this. The club should have a right as to whether to sign a player or not, but to proactively ban an individual from playing football based upon a conviction... I don't think that's wise.

As far as I understand it, Messi is under trial for tax evasion, a crime which can carry a custodial sentence. If he gets put away for 30 days, should he be banned from playing football for the rest of his career?

He does not play football in this country.
 
He does not play football in this country.

That wasn't what I was asking, and in your assertion you made no reference to the UK. You tarred every single crime which carries a custodial sentence with the same brush.

Let's put it this way. There's lots of talk about Chelsea buying Messi for £200m. Most of it probably entirely rubbish. But say they did sign him, and he was then found guilty and imprisoned on a short term basis - or assuming he carried on evading tax over here in the UK and was found guilty by a UK court and given the same sentence - should he be banned from playing forever?

Causing death by dangerous driving carries a custodial sentence. Doesn't mean that the perpetrators of these crimes are all terrible people. You hear frequently of honest and upright individuals being put away for relatively short custodial sentences because they have caused death by dangerous driving, simply because they lost concentration on the road. Many have got completely clean criminal records and wouldn't dream of knowingly breaking the law. I'm not saying that they shouldn't serve a sentence for their crime, but say a footballer served a short sentence for such an offense, by your previous assertion they should be lumped in with rapists, violent criminals, sex offenders, etc. as far as their ability to secure a footballing contract thereafter?
 
I'm sure that the Oldham's women's team were delighted at the prospect of chad playing for the mens side.
The one thing that baffles me about it all is the support of the inlaws in all off this. He cheats on their daughter and yet offer all this support.
 
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That wasn't what I was asking, and in your assertion you made no reference to the UK. You tarred every single crime which carries a custodial sentence with the same brush.

Let's put it this way. There's lots of talk about Chelsea buying Messi for £200m. Most of it probably entirely rubbish. But say they did sign him, and he was then found guilty and imprisoned on a short term basis - or assuming he carried on evading tax over here in the UK and was found guilty by a UK court and given the same sentence - should he be banned from playing forever?

Causing death by dangerous driving carries a custodial sentence. Doesn't mean that the perpetrators of these crimes are all terrible people. You hear frequently of honest and upright individuals being put away for relatively short custodial sentences because they have caused death by dangerous driving, simply because they lost concentration on the road. Many have got completely clean criminal records and wouldn't dream of knowingly breaking the law. I'm not saying that they shouldn't serve a sentence for their crime, but say a footballer served a short sentence for such an offense, by your previous assertion they should be lumped in with rapists, violent criminals, sex offenders, etc. as far as their ability to secure a footballing contract thereafter?

I thought this would be the next question :).

Any player that is convicted of a serious crime which carries a custodial sentence would have his registration to play removed. End of story. Once all the legal proceedings have taken place then I think the player is perfectly within their right to appeal the decision to revoke their licence to play.

The appeal process would be more lenient to players who have not committed a sexual or violent act. It would be an independent panel not connected to football. I've had this opinion pretty much since Hughes returned to football. I hate the idea that Sheffield Wednesday still employ Gary Madine.

There are some things that are bigger than football, some things transcend football and effect communities and society.

I'm sure that Oldham's women's team was delighted at the prospect of chad playing for the mens side

Indeed.
 
And yet Owen Oyston is a convicted rapist who served 3 years and he OWNs a football club, yet no one is bothered about what Blackpool FC are doing right now. Dont see people boycotting games or refusing to play against the team or not wanting to be associated with the club, etc, etc

I'm not saying I necessarily back Evans to play again, but double standards....
 
I thought this would be the next question :).

Any player that is convicted of a serious crime which carries a custodial sentence would have his registration to play removed. End of story. Once all the legal proceedings have taken place then I think the player is perfectly within their right to appeal the decision to revoke their licence to play.

The appeal process would be more lenient to players who have not committed a sexual or violent act. It would be an independent panel not connected to football. I've had this opinion pretty much since Hughes returned to football. I hate the idea that Sheffield Wednesday still employ Gary Madine.

There are some things that are bigger than football, some things transcend football and effect communities and society.

Fair enough :) Not saying you're wrong but I disagree however, insofar as I regard football as a profession firstly and not a primarily privilege, and therefore should be subjected to the same rules as other general professions - not including the likes of teachers, etc. in this respect. People go on about him being a role model, but a) I can't see any kids looking to emulate him at the moment (no one is realistically going to think "because Ched Evans was convicted of raping someone, then I should rape someone and the two and a half years I get will be totally worth it" - I don't think the position Ched Evans finds himself at the moment is particularly enviable... to be called a rapist and screamed at for the rest of your life doesn't sound like too much fun) and b) music stars are meant to be role models and a large amount of them are smacked/coked off their faces - hardly role model material, but no one has a go at them.
 
And yet Owen Oyston is a convicted rapist who served 3 years and he OWNs a football club, yet no one is bothered about what Blackpool FC are doing right now. Dont see people boycotting games or refusing to play against the team or not wanting to be associated with the club, etc, etc

I'm not saying I necessarily back Evans to play again, but double standards....

Again, I do not understand how many times I have to repeat myself, but he is not someone I would want in football if I had a decision over this.

How some football owners pass the fit and proper persons test is beyond me.

Oyston is a terrible, low calibre 'human'.
 
And yet Owen Oyston is a convicted rapist who served 3 years and he OWNs a football club, yet no one is bothered about what Blackpool FC are doing right now. Dont see people boycotting games or refusing to play against the team or not wanting to be associated with the club, etc, etc

I'm not saying I necessarily back Evans to play again, but double standards....

Wow, I didn't know this!
 
Fair enough :) Not saying you're wrong but I disagree however, insofar as I regard football as a profession firstly and not a primarily privilege, and therefore should be subjected to the same rules as other general professions - not including the likes of teachers, etc. in this respect. People go on about him being a role model, but a) I can't see any kids looking to emulate him at the moment (no one is realistically going to think "because Ched Evans was convicted of raping someone, then I should rape someone and the two and a half years I get will be totally worth it" - I don't think the position Ched Evans finds himself at the moment is particularly enviable... to be called a rapist and screamed at for the rest of your life doesn't sound like too much fun) and b) music stars are meant to be role models and a large amount of them are smacked/coked off their faces - hardly role model material, but no one has a go at them.

However many people in many different jobs do face huge problems attempting to return to their field of work after something like this.

Also, you're missing the point re; Evans being a role model sort of I think, I was talking about this at Uni funnily enough. You only have to look at how people have defended him (including people from football) not just the dregs on social media to understand that this is a much wider moral, social issue (I do not understand why really) but all this does is downplay what he has done.

So for example, if you tell a kid who admires (for whatever mental ******* reason) Evans that he's a convicted rapist, I'm sure that kid would take the stand point that it is an abhorrent thing to do. However, if people defend what he does and the child see's that actually there is no serious repercussion for Evans (has resumed the game, people defend him) it preaches a method that footballers can 'do' these things and face no long term punishment, and that even within football it is not a big deal.

Footballers are role models as well as mascots, icons and representative of their club.

I would not let King, Evans et al, anywhere near football if it were up to me. It is not though and football is a famously morally bankrupt sport.

I quite literally do not care that people disagree with me, nor what they think of me. I just maintain that there are some things (moral issue, society issues) that are bigger than football.

For ***** sake, I enjoyed the Lost Prophets, but you know what, some things are bigger than football. They are low calibre 'human beings'.
 
Wow, I didn't know this!

I love football, I love the beautiful game and I genuinely cannot stand these people whom infest the game.

Football brings people together, it has a huge social, political, economical place within the World and should collectively tell these absolutely dregs to go away.

You commit tax fraud, or do not pay child support, do not pay fines whatever, ok, you've served your time, paid your debts and upon appeal you'll likely play again. There are crimes which are acceptable in society, crimes which people are stupid and irresponsible to commit but are forgivable.

You drunk drive and kill people, you rape someone... get the **** out. You want to buy your child a shirt with 'King' or 'Evans' on the back. Society should to an extent turn their back on these people, they have committed atrocious acts.

It has taken Evans this long to apologise, even in a half arsed way.
 
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