Chernobyl miniseries - coming to Sky and HBO in May 2019

ttaskmaster said:
Good to know they were stupid, though. Given that they thought the reactor might explode a second time, I'm glad these morons went back up. And yes, some sources record people taking over 100 times their maximum safe dosage. And yes, many of these utter retards are dead, as are many other liquidators who were there for the clean up.
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I'm not sure what your point is or why you've responded with that attitude? :confused:

As you note, there are mixed records about the length of the exposure.. do I have to point out every flaw about the show when responding? It's easier to say "during the 90 seconds" as that was is what is depicted on the show... my point still stands, those men got a lifetime of exposure whichever way you cut it.

Maybe I've misread the tone of your post but it reads like you're glad they went up because it prevented a lot more tragedy, but then you call them morons and retards? I'm confused there. Are you happy they went up or are you calling them names because they followed orders? These men were conscripted and forced to do a job with the men behind it knowingly putting them to an early death.

FYI, There was actually very little fear of a second explosion when the liquidators went back up. Some sources say between a 5-15%. This is one reason they never actually used the liquid nitrogen and the tunnel... dropping lead in the core lowered the temperature enough that the risk of it penetrating the concrete slab was considerably lower. In reality they shored up the slab by pouring more concrete in the tunnels.
 
Edinho said:
That how serial killers start off apparently - lack of compassion for animals.
Joking btw. Just incase you decide to kill me and eat me.
I think with this series if you were around at the time and remember it I suspect it has more resonance.
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Rofl! :p :D
 
Clov!s said:
Watched the first 4 episodes, don't see what the fuss is about.

The way some of you have been over reacting about the animal control scene, I expected a lot worse but it was actually very tame, not upsetting at all.

I also didn't find the roof scene that intense.
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Glanza said:
Watched episode 4 last night, I was expecting the roof scenes to be something else as the amount of comments that was on Reddit was high.
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If you've read about the scene before hand and knew it was coming then you're not going to get the same impact!
That's like wondering why you didn't jump when that monster popped up behind the chap in insidious. I mean, you knew it was coming and everyone said it was really scary!
 
ttaskmaster said:
Given that variance, and the different workers on different rooves, they obviously chose the worst to depict. That's not a flaw.
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You were the one that quoted my post about 90 seconds! I am fully aware that sources claim different times, my point being do I need to put * after each point that is contentious or where the director has embellished slightly?

ttaskmaster said:
Yes, and some still died as a result, some sooner than others. But since the various reports vary wildly on how many have died as a result of radiation (as many as 90,000 to fewer than 50), that doesn't hold much meaning.
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Just because there's a dispute about the total death toll, doesn't change the fact the liquidators received more than a lifetime's worth of radiation exposure in 45/60/90 seconds on that roof :confused:

ttaskmaster said:
I'm just being sarcastic. You're the one who said they were stupid... I assumed you had good reason?
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Really? I said they were stupid if they went up multiple times. You disagree?

ttaskmaster said:
And yet some voluntarily did the job multiple times, despite having the opportunity to just go home, knowing full well they'd likely die. I assume they're stupid because they were selfless, or because they bowed to some Soviet socialist pressure? Maybe they did it for the money, or just didn't fancy their kids suffering?
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You assume. No one will ever truly know why some men went up multiple times. Were they fully informed of the ill-health effects? I'd argue they weren't properly briefed about the risks and saw it as a moral duty to protect their nation. Money was probably an incentive for some but I doubt the main cause.

ttaskmaster said:
Given what had happened already, do you think they'd risk it nonetheless?
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Absolutely. The graphite on the roof was the only thing preventing the construction and effectiveness of the sarcophagus... the risk of secondary explosion was gone by this stage. Remember, this is a good few (4?) months after the initial meltdown.
 
Talk about an exercise in tedium. I won't be answering any more of your pedantic crap :)
 
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Strange he doesn't mention the issue of the fuel reacting with water to create a nuclear explosion like claimed in the miniseries when they talk about the tanks being filled with water after the sand/boron drop, also doesn't think getting into water table is as bad as is implied in the show
 
ttaskmaster said:
That's about $3000 in today's money, for just 90 seconds work and doing your part in an heroic effort to save the continent. Thinking about how many people that would have taken, it's a lot of 800 Ruble payments in the grand scheme of things.
However, it depends what that 800 Rubles could have bought you back in 1980s Soviet society, I guess. I suspect things didn't cost what they do today, either numerically or as an equivalence.
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Well according to my parents that would be enough to put down a deposit on one of those newly built apartments from the government. We are talking about a time in the Soviet Union when side hustles and second jobs were a rarity so opportunities to earn extra outside your salary were not overly abundant for some.

That's why a lot of people, including my grandmother took part in the clean up effort in the years that followed. Those people may or may not have paid for it down the line (shed died around 20 years later from cancer at 68) but she was definitely a volunteer, as were a lot of people outside of the initial response. The government basically put out bonuses across the whole of union for people with the right skills to come over, once you did hit reach your allowed time you were not allowed to come back.

Not sure if these been posted, but some photos from The Atlantic, shows a lot of the roof liquidators using their own makeshift radiation protection in the form of lead sheets.
 
arknor said:
what parts are fictionalized?
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Well for a start one of the three main characters and her entire arc is entirely fictional, but in addition to that there are multiple points in the series where something is added for the sake of drama when IMO the series would have been just as good if it had stuck to the facts.

In addition (and this isn't really a problem as it's unavoidable) because it's a dramatisation not a documentary many things happen in the series which are unproven, what I mean by this is that even today many of the facts surrounding what happened are still not known for certain and so where a documentry would explain the possibilities/arguments/theory's, the series instead has to choose one of the ones available for it's story, this happens multiple times.

None of it detracts from the awesomeness of the show ofc :D
 
Didn’t like the pet killing, but I appreciate they are trying to lay bare what happened there.

If those animals had not been killed though, wouldn’t a lot of them have ended up suffering horrible deaths from radiation poisoning anyway? Surely it would have been a mercy killing for some of them.
 
neoboy said:
For those interested in more nuclear disasters read up about City 40/Ozyorsk and the Kyshtym Disaster in 1957.
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Wow, Russia was (is?) so messed up it's unbelievable. It's amazing how people's normal can be so different. City 40 is reminiscent of a pre-Fallout video game story.
 
If anyone is interested, I can recommend picking up a copy of "Midnight in Chernobyl" .

Very interesting reading and a more detailed account of the events.
 
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