Chinese GP 2009 - Race 3/17

Mr Jack said:
Great race for Vettel, and Kovaleinen. Neither of them put a foot wrong.

Barrichello was oddly slow, despite setting the fastest lap. The Brawn's simply weren't quick enough and Button did the best he good - good show. Webber was outclassed by his teammate and made mistakes - one wonders how much his leg is holding him back. Hamilton was quick when he wasn't pointing the wrong way - a race to forget for our young hero, frankly.

I'd like to praise Buemi but the collision with Vettel was simple foolishness.

Sutil - what a shame!

Utterly forgettable from the Ferraris once again; neither quick nor reliable. Poor showing. At least neither of them ended in the wall, hey?
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Barrichello had trouble with his brakes, apparently they wouldn't get up to temperature which cost him time.

Webbers mistakes occured when he was tussling with Button, and they weren't anything major in fairness. Webber broke his right leg 6 months, cruicially this isn't his braking leg which allowed him to start the season. I doubt he has any physical weakness holding him back. If anything it will be mental doubt imo.

I don't think Buemi could do much about his bump into Vettel. He genuinely could see nothing on that straight. He thought Vettel was accelerating down the straight when infact he had lifted (Buemi would not have been able to tell from the spray) because he had mistaken Trulli for Barrichello. Vettel explained this in the press conference and apologised, which wasn't needed really.
 
ps3ud0 said:
No but Ive been watching him in GP2 so for say 5yrs+, just like Button and Heidfield etc...

Ive got a far better grasp of what hes like than the average F1 fan IMO - and you are only just seeing what collectively him and his father are like...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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GP2 hasn't even been running for 5 years :confused:
 
Breeny said:
GP2 hasn't even been running for 5 years :confused:
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Apoligises Ill try and be more exacting next time - the feeder series in F1, be that F3, Int F3000 or GP2...

I dont watch it as much now (god a few years) ever since F1 got boring and so my taste for single-seater motorsports waned...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Dorje said:
Barrichello had trouble with his brakes, apparently they wouldn't get up to temperature which cost him time.
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Where they different from the brakes on Button's car?

I don't think Buemi could do much about his bump into Vettel. He genuinely could see nothing on that straight. He thought Vettel was accelerating down the straight when infact he had lifted (Buemi would not have been able to tell from the spray) because he had mistaken Trulli for Barrichello. Vettel explained this in the press conference and apologised, which wasn't needed really.
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I didn't see the press conference as they went straight to Mr. Marr. I agree; that doesn't sound like Buemi's error - in which case, great race from him :)
 
PinkFloyd said:
It's not that bad, if this had happened last year maybe.

Driving a car with new parts that haven't had much testing, in all new weather, and finishing a few places up from where he started. I think he can be happy overall, even if he potentially could have finished 4th without the spins.
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He was passed by his teammate who started many places behind him. I don't think that speaks of a great performance, frankly.
 
Mr Jack said:
He was passed by his teammate who started many places behind him. I don't think that speaks of a great performance, frankly.
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You could argue that his late-race lack of performance was down to degraded tyres due to him actually trying to make progress through the field earlier on, when others seemed happy to just trundle round in a procession.

Without all the facts, it's impossible to say what the reasons were.

At least he's not bad-mouthing McLaren in public over their lack of performance, even in the wake of the "lying" scandal. Contrast this with Kimi and Massa both publicly calling on Ferrari to improve and saying their championship hopes are over already.
 
Well done to Vettel and RBR, for me Vettel has just proven that he is F1's current 'rainmaster' well deserved results. Lets hope we can see a good scrap between Brawn and RBR at the next race, I still think Brawn will have the edge in the dry though.
Interesting to see the L/H fanboys have gone a little quiet, although some are still attempting to defend his 4? trips off the track.
Pitty Massa's car gave up on him, for a change he was looking reasonably quick in the wet.
 
realscot said:
Interesting to see the L/H fanboys have gone a little quiet, although some are still attempting to defend his 4? trips off the track.
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I think he's had a terrific start to the season; he's proven himself to be a great driver. But this race? Not his best showing. He needs to learn to control his aggression a bit and balance his raw skill and talent with a more tactical mindset.

A put in some great laps and top class overtaking maneuvers and then threw it away with repeated silly errors trying to push too hard.
 
Mr Jack said:
He was passed by his teammate who started many places behind him. I don't think that speaks of a great performance, frankly.
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realscot said:
Interesting to see the L/H fanboys have gone a little quiet, although some are still attempting to defend his 4? trips off the track.
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Do both remember that Hamilton was driving a car that is known to be lacking, with all new aero elements both at the front and back, this combined with the weather and being aggressive - I think he should be given a little benefit of the doubt :p
It's not like Massa and Kimi last season at Silverstone in a quick car, with loads of testing in various conditions being dog slow!
 
realscot said:
Well done to Vettel and RBR, for me Vettel has just proven that he is F1's current 'rainmaster' well deserved results. Lets hope we can see a good scrap between Brawn and RBR at the next race, I still think Brawn will have the edge in the dry though.
Interesting to see the L/H fanboys have gone a little quiet, although some are still attempting to defend his 4? trips off the track.
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Your casual dismissal of any such arguments in favour of LH as "attempts to defend" him from "fanboys" merely shows you up as a zealot yourself :rolleyes:

As I said, there are many factors at work and we're not privvy to all the data. To dismiss Hamilton's performance today so casually when he decimated the field in the rain at Silverstone last year is over simplistic in the extreme. Some would argue that the major difference twixt now and then is not the driver but the car.
 
Agreed Vertigo1 - though if you then consider the same concept when considering Kovas and Hamiltons performances today then it could be the converse...

Theres more than one way to skin a cat...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
realscot said:
Well done to Vettel and RBR, for me Vettel has just proven that he is F1's current 'rainmaster' well deserved results.
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I don't think there's any such thing tbh. Plenty of drivers have good wet races and then very bad ones depending on the risks you have to take with set up and how the car is behaving.

He didn't really do anything out of the ordinary as his team mate was pretty much matching his laptime. That to me suggests it was the car.

To me the old rain masters where the ones that could stay out on slicks for longer than any one else when the rain was coming down. Or get by in changable conditions. It was pretty much consistent today which made it a lot easier for him.

A good race for him, but he wasn't doing much more than webber to be classing his race as an extraordinary drive in the wet imo.
 
Massive congratulations to CS||nuTs and everyone else at RBR - Vettel did not put a foot wrong all weekend, Webber was excellent backup and between them they showed the grid how to run a wet race.

Good showing from BGP again, is the diffuser less effective in the wet? Or is the car just not as fantasti in these conditions? RBR were all over them in Malaysia before the red flag.... it'll be interesting to see if they are back on top come round 4.

Frustrated with Hamilton, lots of fearless moves on the track but lots of daft mistakes too. Maybe he just needs to learn when to rein it in.

Another day to forget for Ferrari. Kimi was nowhere and obviously not in the zone, Massa seemed to be doing okay until the car died on him - did we find out what happened? Bit of a shame really, I've no love for the Iceman at all but I like Massa and would like to see him doing better.

Proper gutted for Sutil and Force India too, binning it 6 laps from the end when in a solid points-scoring position.

Roll on Round 4!
 
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