Chinese GP 2009 - Race 3/17

I am surrpised at all of those saying that Button is better than Barrichello.

Button is very smooth is no doubt doing very well this season, but look at last year. RB out qualified button and finished much higher than him in the Championship.
 
englishpremier said:
I am surrpised at all of those saying that Button is better than Barrichello.

Button is very smooth is no doubt doing very well this season, but look at last year. RB out qualified button and finished much higher than him in the Championship.
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And look at the time before when they had a good car, Button destroyed rubens. I just think he was demotivated and finding it hard to keep going last year.

I'm sure if you asked people if Rubens would be better in the wet than button they would side with rubens but button never had any issues with him. If button continues beating rubens into europe I expect Brawn will make a call to put his eggs in one basket.

So far on race pace it's been a no contest.
 
NathanE said:
Has anyone got a youtube or whatever of the grid walk and the "Kate's Dirty Sister" part? :) I missed it as I didn't wake up in time on Sunday to see that part :(
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Hope you find the grid walk, it was a tag team effort between Brundle and DC, with Brundle using DC to grab random Red Bull people to chat to. :D
Oh and him standing under a brolly with a rather cute grid girl.

Get in someones put the "Toyota Mechanics dance" gridwalk from Malaysia on the tube of you, am I allowed to link to it on here?
 
Type_R said:
At no point did I mention that RB was World Championship material either, it so happens that he set the fastest time in the race completely contradicting your philosophy of the Red Bull being the faster car in the race, clearly it was not:
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As i stated clearly one lap means nothing - its all about consistancy of lap times which the RB was clearly faster over numerous laps in those conditions


Type_R said:
The fact of the matter is that Brawn had the faster car (just look at the qualifying times wight adjusted) in China and failed to capitalise on that fact, mainly due to a better driver line up at Red Bull.
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Nothing at all about a better driving line up - just found it easier to get more out of a different car in those conditions, and better use of the tires

Type_R said:
What you feel is stupid, because it suggests that Button didn't perform exceedingly well, is the reality of the matter - which I shall continue to post.
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Completely ridiculous notion - anyone who is able to finish the race on the podium in those conditions deserves praise - but no doubt you could do better :rolleyes:

Type_R said:
For the record its inflammatory not the way you spelt it - but Im sure your spelling is correct anyway :rolleyes:
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so the only accute part of your whole post was that I missed out an "m" - how pathetic
 
englishpremier said:
I am surrpised at all of those saying that Button is better than Barrichello.
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Last year Button was outgunned by his teammate, Barrichello. However, this season, when it counts, Button has shown he has the ability to get the job done, while Barrichello tends to lose out at the vital moments. This has culminated in Button outperforming Barrichello, consistently so far, this season.

I think Button is a good driver, but he needs the equipment to show it. He isnt like some drivers who can shine even with poor equipment (LH did this in the opening GP of the year; Alonso shone and outperformed everybody else, even though his car wasnt great last year; Senna was great when he raced in poor cars; and so on...)

If you have a poor car, I would rather have Barrichello (as he will push hard no matter what), but if I have a great car, then I would rather choose Button.
 
englishpremier said:
Button is very smooth is no doubt doing very well this season, but look at last year. RB out qualified button and finished much higher than him in the Championship.
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1stly qaulifying matters not a jot if the finishiing result is just as bad - its just an AID to a decent result the next day that is all

The other thing about last year is that without one result (the British GP) Rubens would have finished one point ahead of Button I believe, is that really such a big thing to praise over a season - personally I dont think so (well done maybe, but nothing really worth noting as its more like "a margin of error")
 
FrankJH said:
The other thing about last year is that without one result (the British GP) Rubens would have finished one point ahead of Button I believe, is that really such a big thing to praise over a season -
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First off, The British GP did happen (it wasnt a figment of our imagination) and Barrichello did score there and this led to him opening up a decent points gap over his team-mate in the title race. Even if we discount that race (like you said), Barrichello still outscored his team mate.

Whichever way you look at it, Barrichello did a better job than Button, last year.
 
I think Ross Brawn knows something we don't though. Because he wanted rid of Rubens last year but was commited to keeping Jenson.

Whether that's because of potential sponsorship that Jenson pulls in maybe... I don't know.
 
sunama said:
First off, The British GP did happen (it wasnt a figment of our imagination) and Barrichello did score there and this led to him opening up a decent points gap over his team-mate in the title race. Even if we discount that race (like you said), Barrichello still outscored his team mate.

Whichever way you look at it, Barrichello did a better job than Button, last year.
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I never suggested it didnt happen - but the only significant difference was one race result (not like a few want to suggest that RB was significantly better over the whole season , when he wasnt)

At the end of the day look at yesterday's grid /result

RB started infront (albeit by one grid place) and yet finished....20 seconds behind or so in the same car - thats how little qualifying results mean on their own ;)

Maybe Im wrong - but I look at the season as a whole not at one little aspect / one result before I make a decision

NathanE said:
I think Ross Brawn knows something we don't though. Because he wanted rid of Rubens last year but was commited to keeping Jenson.

Whether that's because of potential sponsorship that Jenson pulls in maybe... I don't know.
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Not really sure what you mean - Ross had a very good / easy chance of getting rid of Rubens if he wanted to, and yet chose to keep him (wise decision when compared to a complete rookie, although one with a lot of promise)

Either way (whether Honda had left or not) would it really have been significantly different for him to change his mind and let Rubens go (as his contract had ended I believe) - the biggest factor I would have thought would always be developing a new car with new regs with very limited testing
 
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dannyjo22 said:
The trouble is he doesn't help himself. When asked about Ron the first line he replied with was that he wasn't dissapointed but surprised. Instantly many people just think you ungratefull ****.
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People will only instantly think he is ungrateful if they have a pathological hatred of the poor guy! He followed on with "Ron has been a huge force in supporting my life and he's still playing a key role in my life, whether he's in the team or not," the 24-year-old said. "You guys have been writing about it for years – as soon as he gets to a certain stage, he'll step aside. I guess he's decided that time is now.". Your irrational posts are getting tiring.
 
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