Christian Values

[Yadda]

I was thinking more this guy: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/idiot-american-missionary-killed-by-natives.18838027/

Can't burn you at the stake, can't flay your skin off with brands of fire, defrocking and excommunication no longer the stigma they once were... But sending you out to breach at a tribe of warry, stabby, territorial islanders - Yep, that's still allowed!

Just read that. Not his best idea. You'd think he'd get the message after he swam back to the main boat because they smashed his canoe and shot him with arrows. But no. John was drunk on Jesus and went back in.

 

[d_brennen]

My father was born and bred Edmonton Tottenham. He would roll in his grave if he saw it now.

Tottenham has always been a hole

 

[ttaskmaster]

NVM

 

[FortuitousFluke]

I thought the consensus was that people should not listen when a voice appears out of nowhere telling them what to do? Is that not how things like The Crusades and Witchburning got started in the first place?

You trust people to mind the gap without a disembodied voice telling them to? Let's face it, a disturbing number of people would benefit from a stern deity standing behind them with a big fiery whip.

This may or may not be my actual feelings on the matter.

 

[Teh_Next]

Haha well played.

I was of course being an over dramatic moaning old git.

You're perfectly entitled to be my friend. Being an old cynic, moaner is a right earned through age.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Mark A]

Another great Christian value is taken from Sodom and Gomorrah. God gets rather cross with man because he doesn't like homosexuals. He then sends a couple of his henchmen to rape and kill everyone. Tells his mate Lot to leg it and not look back but his wife does look back so he turns her to stone.

Lot refused to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom and, instead, offered them his two virgin daughters "which have not known man" and to "do ye to them as [is] good in your eyes". However, they refused this offer, complained about this alien, namely Lot, giving orders, and then came near to break down the door.

He sounds like a great father... Yeah, I think the bible and any religious books should be left in the past where they belong. We have moved on a lot and our values have changed a lot. Some for the worse sure, but looking at some of these stories i'd say most have changed for the better.

 

[StriderX]

Hmm.

A mother deliberately drowned her four-year-old daughter in the bath before setting fire to her body on a coffee table in the garden, a court has heard.

Carly Ann Harris believed she had to "sacrifice" Amelia on 8 June to prove her own faith to God.

 

[GGizmo]

The problem is partly that we've moved away from the organised Christian religion to a society with multiple religions and multiple peoples with all kinds of different values. Then we have the media imposing minority views as though they have equal strength of the majority, that it all creates a big mix up and the average person now finds it difficult to have a proper sense of identity, especially if you are white.

 

[Teh_Next]

The problem is partly that we've moved away from the organised Christian religion to a society with multiple religions and multiple peoples with all kinds of different values. Then we have the media imposing minority views as though they have equal strength of the majority, that it all creates a big mix up and the average person now finds it difficult to have a proper sense of identity, especially if you are white.

Sure.

 

[Grandmaster Fap!]

The problem is partly that we've moved away from the organised Christian religion to a society with multiple religions and multiple peoples with all kinds of different values. Then we have the media imposing minority views as though they have equal strength of the majority, that it all creates a big mix up and the average person now finds it difficult to have a proper sense of identity, especially if you are white.

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[krooton]

Tottenham has always been a hole

True, and I have been living here for 3 years. That said, I'd argue it's a bit better now than when I lived here in the early 2000s.

Never mind, moving out to the suburbs in a few months.

 

[ScoTTyBEEE]

It’s down to the inherent nature of the British to be utterly selfish and not give 2 flying figs about anyone but themselves..

It’s most evident when people tell you how much their house is now worth, without a second thought to those behind them.

Or better yet....’we’ve just bought a holiday home’. Oh great, I hope you enjoy pricing out locals so you can avoid hotels for a few weeks every year.

 

[Nitefly]

I think there is a lot of truth in the OP. Not necessarily a lack of faith but a lack of the bigger picture and pursuing things that are meaningful, which leads to the selfish pursuit of pleasure.

 

[Teh_Next]

I think there is a lot of truth in the OP. Not necessarily a lack of faith but a lack of the bigger picture and pursuing things that are meaningful, which leads to the selfish pursuit of pleasure.

Why is pursuing pleasure selfish?
I work my ass off to not only provide for my family but, to give them the nicer, pleasurable things in life.
That's meaningful; I'm giving my family a nice life.

That's not to say we don't do our bit as conscientious members of society (me and the Mrs) and try to give something back in ways within our means.

Sorry, I just don't think the pursuit of pleasure is necessarily "selfish".

 

[GGizmo]

Sorry, I just don't think the pursuit of pleasure is necessarily "selfish".

I guess it depends what you get pleasure out of.

A lot of people are in pursuit of pleasure to the point of destruction i.e. alcohol, drugs, sex, and crime. Looking for that short term buzz.

 

[Teh_Next]

I guess it depends what you get pleasure out of.

A lot of people are in pursuit of pleasure to the point of destruction i.e. alcohol, drugs, sex, and crime. Looking for that short term buzz.

And the majority of people are not, yet seeking pleasure.
Sounds all a bit too generalised and Mail reader to me.

 

[Nitefly]

Why is pursuing pleasure selfish?
I work my ass off to not only provide for my family but, to give them the nicer, pleasurable things in life.
That's meaningful; I'm giving my family a nice life.

That's not to say we don't do our bit as conscientious members of society (me and the Mrs) and try to give something back in ways within our means.

Sorry, I just don't think the pursuit of pleasure is necessarily "selfish".

I’m more referring to short term-ism of being overly driven by external pleasure. It’s just not very healthy and in my experience leads to unhappiness and confusion.

I also think the ‘hole in the soul’ that many people may at times feel is due to a lack of loving oneself, which is an emotion one can experience by loving a god.

Eh what do I know

 

[Teh_Next]

I’m more referring to short term-ism of being overly driven by external pleasure. It’s just not very healthy and in my experience leads to unhappiness and confusion.

What is "external," pleasure? I'm going to assume you're broadly referring to hedonism.
Through my own experiences I believe hedonism is short term and is perfectly natural as a part of growing up.

 

[GGizmo]

And the majority of people are not, yet seeking pleasure.
Sounds all a bit too generalised and Mail reader to me.

As I said in the first line it depends on what type of pleasure.

Your second line was very strange.

 

[Nitefly]

What is "external," pleasure? I'm going to assume you're broadly referring to hedonism.
Through my own experiences I believe hedonism is short term and is perfectly natural as a part of growing up.

Yes, that is broadly what I’m referring to.