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this isnt a personal attack Captain Planet, we get you dont like smoking but we also dont feel like people should complain that we smoke. OK so 2nd hand smoke isnt great but its not like you have to dodge smoke left right and center every time you leave your home.

Also, I, as like many other smokers, also like that there is no smoking in pubs, I miss it from time to time when im feeling to lazy to go outside but then I man up and go outside if I really want a smoke that bad. The plus side to the smoking ban is that beer gardens seem so much nicer these days too.
 
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this isnt a personal attack Captain Planet, we get you dont like smoking but we also dont feel like people should complain that we smoke. OK so 2nd hand smoke isnt great but its not like you have to dodge smoke left right and center every time you leave your home.

Also, I, as like many other smokers, also like that there is no smoking in pubs, I miss it from time to time when im feeling to lazy to go outside but then I man up and go outside if I really want a smoke that bad. The plus side to the smoking ban is that beer gardens seem so much nicer these days too.

No big deal, I've had far worse than a small debate with people over a topic of interest on an internet forum :p

I personally have never complained about anyone smoking, (at least I can't think of any time I have). I agree it's your choice, do what you want, it's not my business. My problem comes when I end up smoking your smoke. Then I have right to complain.
 
You turn me on when you talk dirty.

Seriously though, I don't think you would blow it in my face :p

He would be too scared of the gun oil, testosterone and Alpha pheremones :p

I have always felt the smoking ban was badly implemented. I think establishments and their staff should have had a choice. Open a non smoking pub, or a smoking pub, but crucially have the choice to do either.

Then the smokers and non-smokers also have the choice.

I am an ex smoker and I like the fact I can go to the pub and come home without having to get into the shower and wash the smell from my hair. Now, as a non-smoker I fully appreciate how badly I used to stink.

That said if a person wants to smoke they should be able to. I tend to agree with ban in pubs, but I do feel it has contributed to the destruction of the pub industry, along with cheap beer from supermarkets and greedy breweries.

The ban in public places like parks and the street? Well that is just the next level of stupid. If the government want to go to that extreme they should just ban smoking completely. They should have the courage of their convictions and ban it for the greater good. No messing, no posturing just ban it. Close the industry down.

Oh no thats right, they still want your tax so they wont do that. Bloody hypocrites! :rolleyes:

Are we then to start saying we cannot alow cars in public places because of the fumes they emit?

I think whether vaping is any danger or not, I can see the future being a case of them having to be produced under licence and a product for which the government can take a lot of tax from.
 
No big deal, I've had far worse than a small debate with people over a topic of interest on an internet forum :p

I personally have never complained about anyone smoking, (at least I can't think of any time I have). I agree it's your choice, do what you want, it's not my business. My problem comes when I end up smoking your smoke. Then I have right to complain.

Thats fair enough, well, I'm right on the Med so I'll blow my smoke over in the direction of the Italians and hope it doesnt head up your way. :p
 
If so few have a problem with people killing themselves, why is there a blanket ban on smoking indoors? Surely business owners should decide if they want to allow people to smoke? People who don't smoke or don't like it can simply choose not to go there.

And what were the recent calls for banning it in public places about? There's no way that's purely a health issue.

Because of second hand smoke...:confused:

The main reason the government banned it was because it was unsafe for those working in those environments to be breathing in smoke all day. It's the same reason it's only banned indoors and wasn't banned entirely.

Smoking in a confined space means the smoke has nowhere to go, instead it collects over time and is breathed in by everyone in the surrounding area. A similar effect is having a hot shower and the bathroom steaming up...

It's also why non smokers would go home after a night out and wake up the next morning feeling and smelling like an ashtray. As a non smoker it was horrible going to a club, you would regularly wake up the next morning feeling like someone had **** in your mouth because of the second hand smoke, that's before you ran your hands through your hair or thought about even looking at the clothes you wore the night before.

Personally I don't agree with banning smoking in public parks, it's open space. On the other hand I do believe there should be stricter rules on skiing in beer gardens and on busy streets. it's horrible walking near someone that decides to light up when walking along the street, when walking in and out of buildings having to wade through the smoke from the smokers that don't want to move past a foot from the entrance and sitting at a table outside in summer trying to eat when a bunch light up just behind you.
 
I have am idea, put a bag over the head of some morally superior idiots, that way, I don't have to hear them complain all day.

Next you'll be telling me I can't swear in the pub because it offends you.

And if you drink soft drinks in the pub, and you're not driving, you need to get your head checked. It's a pub, not yoga class or the enema store.

If you're not drinking ale with bits of soil floating in it then bugger off to the gin bar.

:D

Gone are the days when the pub was the centre of the community where people went to socialise. Now it's just for the hard drinkers to destroy their livers apparently. ;)
 
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Gone are the days when the pub was the centre of the community where people went to socialise. Now it's just for the hard drinkers to destroy their livers apparently. ;)

Well that's how a lot of people look at it now, drinking is so frowned upon but apparently being a judgmental sausage buffer is very "in" this season. Concerned parents are also very "now"

I go down the pub to socialise, I go down to get drunk, sometimes I go down just because I fancy a pint and a read of my book.

The pub is the king of any proper community.
 
What's with your chav obsession? :o

I've generally found those that spend their time stating they aren't a chav are trying to hide something... It's usually the ones that are smoking while walking down the road in their tracksuit bottoms proclaiming they "ain't no chav"! ;)
 
Not fussed about living til I'm 90 crapping my pants in some nursing home, if I hit 60 and get lung cancer I'll just top myself - problem solved.

Of course you wil...

60 really isn't that old these days... still a decade or two of being potentially quite active (assuming no critical illness). Most weddings I've been to the parents of the bride/groom were at least 60. Plenty of people in their 60s go skiing, climb mountains etc... I really doubt you'd actually have the same attitude if you got to that age and did end up with not long to live or had to have some voice box thing held to your neck in order to talk... I'd wager most people who get to that point have serious regrets about smoking earlier in life... It is around the age when offspring get married, start having kids etc... Would be pretty depressing to be in a situation where you know you've got a grand kid on the way who you'll never meet and it's basically your own fault/poor life choice that has left you in the situation.
 
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Smoking is pretty universal among the classes. I know people who live in multi million pound houses who smoke and I know factory workers who smoke.

The exception seems to be people in the middle class who like to think they're a bit special, like to pretend they're "all that".

You're very wrong...

http://ash.org.uk/current-policy-issues/health-inequalities/smoking-and-health-inequalities

Edit: and this is also interesting...
Smoking prevalence is significantly higher in people with mental health problems than among the general population. People with psychotic disorders who live in institutions are particularly vulnerable: over 70% of this group smoke including 52% who are heavy smokers.
 
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