Clock changes: EU backs ending daylight saving

Roar87 said:
Yeah but it's twice a year for the entire country, over a large population that can mean big costs to the NHS. There's loads of sleep studies and how it affects people. It can affect cortisol, blood pressure, food cravings, etc - so when you do all those little things to 65 million people twice a year it's going to cause damage to some people, probably those who were already vulnerable in the first place. Imagine a shift worker who was already struggling with sleep now has to get up an extra hour early, it adds up.
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I am a shift worker, and yes it's horrible. It really does mess with your body, and it really affects me.

But a clock change once a year is the least of a shift workers problems :p
 
Mr Jack said:
Not really. Farming is an industry that is tied to actual light. If the usual working day doesn't line up with the actual available light, it's much harder to get stuff done during the working day.
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How though? I'm from a farming background. My dad used to work from dawn until dusk every day. The clock was almost irrelevant. Hence why I never understand why farmers are quoted as being the ones most against change. To a farmer in winter it doesn't matter to him whether it's dark at 7 or dark at 8.
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah but it's twice a year for the entire country, over a large population that can mean big costs to the NHS. There's loads of sleep studies and how it affects people. It can affect cortisol, blood pressure, food cravings, etc - so when you do all those little things to 65 million people twice a year it's going to cause damage to some people, probably those who were already vulnerable in the first place. Imagine a shift worker who was already struggling with sleep now has to get up an extra hour early, it adds up.
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As a shift worker i can day it makes absolutley no differnce compared to the weekly schedule shifts between working and none working days.

Fixing your time without regard for the sun is going to be far more harmful, I say harmful but you know this is such bubble wrap territory that its kinda insulting to use the word harm
 
Greebo said:
How though? I'm from a farming background. My dad used to work from dawn until dusk every day. The clock was almost irrelevant. Hence why I never understand why farmers are quoted as being the ones most against change. To a farmer in winter it doesn't matter to him whether it's dark at 7 or dark at 8.
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But does it matter to him if all the ancillary businesses he needs to deal with drift out of sync with his schedule.

Or costs increase as people now have to work "unsociable" hours with uplift because it's not the regonised working day any more
 
Greebo said:
How though? I'm from a farming background. My dad used to work from dawn until dusk every day. The clock was almost irrelevant. Hence why I never understand why farmers are quoted as being the ones most against change. To a farmer in winter it doesn't matter to him whether it's dark at 7 or dark at 8.
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Because on larger farms most people are employees with working hours, and because farms interact with a range of other businesses.

Actually, though, it seems that I'm wrong and there isn't majority support from farmers: see this NFU statement.
 
The EU don’t back it yet. It has passed through the petitions to get considered by the EU. Doesn’t mean they will. Like the UK when it was blocked by the SNP it will probably get blocked by a single group.
 
delta0 said:
The EU don’t back it yet. It has passed through the petitions to get considered by the EU. Doesn’t mean they will. Like the UK when it was blocked by the SNP it will probably get blocked by a single group.
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Don't be silly. We left the EU because they force rules on us we didn't like!

You're now telling me we can actually block things we don't like?
 
muon said:
Don't be silly. We left the EU because they force rules on us we didn't like!

You're now telling me we can actually block things we don't like?
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Of course we can. Until they put it in a treaty then we are screwed.

I’m sure the EU sit in a room all day trying to imagine new ways to make themselves less competitive. The US guys I work with already complain they get 1 hour most overlap (as the EU guys also start at 8 and finish by 4) with Europe and if they change to this system there will be no overlap!
 
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It's one of those things that no matter which you use people will think that the grass is greener on the other side.

I suspect the only reason the EU are changing it is because they want complete uniformity as with everything else they do.
 
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