Come at me England
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The English aren't anti-Scottish at all. We are anti-Northern.
As in, anti-above Birmingham.
Lol.
What does that mean for Arknor and the likes? All those poor abandoned creatures waving their little England flags like a true patriots and no one really cares!
Shameful I say!! 
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Did you manage to find that thread?
Why would I waste my time on you?
Did you ever manage to find your evidence of your accusations?
I think not, what a shame.
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Ok, just checking
Odd that this started as a "humourous" anti-english thread and yet you are getting upset about anti-scottish attitudes...I assume it is only a joke and banter when it goes one way?
What on earth is directly Anti English about a list of Scottish acomplishments in parody?
This nonsese is what annoys me the most. Fart in the wrong direction and you're anti-english. It's tongue in cheek humour, there has long been competition and rivalry and that sort of statement can even be found on tea towels in tat shops up here. It isn't anti English, it's a response to the overpowering effect of being joined with England has had.
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Everyone except the Scots.....
I'll tell grampa on you... I'm sure you can still go over his knee.
I'll tell grampa on you... I'm sure you can still go over his knee.
I'd rather it was granma.....
But the OP is clearly a humorous joke at the expense / with intent of provoking the English... thus despite harmless is in that sense anti-English?
I don't think RDM was actually acknowledging how harmless the OP was. I think you massively overreacted yourself there!
But the OP is clearly a humorous joke at the expense / with intent of provoking the English... thus in that sense anti-English?
I think you massively overreacted yourself there!
Not really, it's nonsense.
I don't see it being at the expense of the Englishman, what's it saying about him? Nothing much. The statement has no intent of laughably 'provoking the English', heaven forbid, but of professing pride in Scottish accomplishment constantly talked down by our neighbours.
But, yes. I can see how you think that is anti English.
The OP is a different matter.
So why is MillsyOC getting so bent out of shape when similar is returned in the direction of the Scots? Denigrating humour directed at the english? All good fun and banter. Same directed at the Scots? Yet another example of English oppression...
The OP wasn't generalising about the English. It is also barely denigration.
Yet 8igdave clearly was generalising about the Scottish.
It's up to that person to interject as they like I would have thought, considering they aren't tied to either posts.
It can't get any easier than this surely.
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Straw man, I've already said it varies and we aren't discussiong the origins of all languages, only English here at present.
People giving it big licks about how the English singularly brought the English language to the world is ********, frankly. It wasn't England's exclusively to start with, it came from your French overlords mainly.
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I'm not "attacking the English for no reason", I'm pointing out the errors of other people in a historical sense on an internet forum.
But doing so with errors of your own. Norman French is not the main component of modern English. A component, certainly, but not the main one.
As for bringing English to the world, that was done by the English due to trade and conquest even before the union.
I would have to say the error is yours, I never said it was a main component. I have maintained repeatedly that influence was multi cultural and at times significant, and undoubtadly the largest effect was the loss of pre norman English independence. I have never claimed any other language to be a majority component, that would be a childish error. We would be speaking that other launguage for all intents and purposes in that case. The influence and catalyst from Ancient English to Modern English was not a process started by the English at all not in the direction it tookk, and the influences - not components - were significant enough before and after. Even old English was pretty much again largely influenced by Celtic, Latin and Norse languages. The linguistic progress was stemied by the invasion and what we have now is actually a rather incomplete transition, or bastardisation if you would.
The comment was in jest to the catalyst of the Norman invasion, which arguably had the largest effect. Especially when the whole English speaking ruling class was replaced with French.
This idea that England produced a monolithic language in a cultural and political bubble, and then gave it to the world isn't really the true picture.
England's trade empire growth in the 17th century can be largely attributed to the Treaty of London obtained by James VI/I to allow England to progress relatively peacefully. It would depend which Union you are talking about.
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